Over/Unders... $900 vs 25k?

cam1936 said:
I just found this used Citori Lighting Sporting for not all that much more than a new Turkish gun. Made in 97, Invector +, doesn't seem shot much at all.

It isn't a Rolls Royce but it sure beats a Lada!

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That's why so many of us recomend a used Browning or Beretta over a new Turkish gun, so many good used ones can be had for just a bit more money!
 
I sold all my high grade and limited edition Browning an Beretta target shotguns and bought a Browning Citori Crossover,the one with the black,blue and gray laminate stock.It's like the freaky rave chick with tattoo's,tongue stud and nipple rings that you meet in the mosh pit at a SlipKnot concert.

The high grade,fancy wood and limited production target guns that attract all the envy are like the $1000/hr escort that makes you wear a ball gag while she spanks you with your own leather belt after the corporate function is over.
 
One is a pipe attached to some cheap wood that happens to chamber shotgun shells and one is a work of art that had countless human hours by an expert artist with countless human hours of time honing their craft
 
cam1936 said:
I just found this used Citori Lighting Sporting for not all that much more than a new Turkish gun. Made in 97, Invector +, doesn't seem shot much at all.

It isn't a Rolls Royce but it sure beats a Lada!

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I shot 7 rounds of skeet with it this afternoon. Holy crap what a difference a nice gun, that fits, makes. No fatigue, very natural to point.
 
With the amount you shoot, you don't need a high volume gun... so basically you just "want" a better gun. In which case you are the only one that can define "want." When you see the aesthetics that appeal to you, and feel the "fit" that helps your body get into the correct positions, and it falls within your budget, you will have found your gun... really, nobody here can answer that question, and really nobody can answer the "is it worth it," question either... other than point you to a bunch of different models to try within your budget. Case in point, you seem very drawn to the 828U, and cosmetically and functionally speaking, that gun would be close to the bottom of my list, and neither of us is wrong. The "right gun" is such a personal thing you really have to follow your heart... when you look at a gun and smile, and shoulder it and say "oh, yeah," then you have the right gun for you... no matter what Joe Schmoe at the club says.

As for what you get for going up in price... you could buy a $1000 Huglu that your grandchildren end up shooting, and you can buy a DT-11 that falls apart in your first range session... BUT, you significantly up the odds of getting the quality gun by paying for the quality materials, fit & finish, and QC inspection, that come with higher priced guns... just don't get sucked in to going over your budget.
 
hoytcanon said:
With the amount you shoot, you don't need a high volume gun... so basically you just "want" a better gun. In which case you are the only one that can define "want." When you see the aesthetics that appeal to you, and feel the "fit" that helps your body get into the correct positions, and it falls within your budget, you will have found your gun... really, nobody here can answer that question, and really nobody can answer the "is it worth it," question either... other than point you to a bunch of different models to try within your budget. Case in point, you seem very drawn to the 828U, and cosmetically and functionally speaking, that gun would be close to the bottom of my list, and neither of us is wrong. The "right gun" is such a personal thing you really have to follow your heart... when you look at a gun and smile, and shoulder it and say "oh, yeah," then you have the right gun for you... no matter what Joe Schmoe at the club says.

As for what you get for going up in price... you could buy a $1000 Huglu that your grandchildren end up shooting, and you can buy a DT-11 that falls apart in your first range session... BUT, you significantly up the odds of getting the quality gun by paying for the quality materials, fit & finish, and QC inspection, that come with higher priced guns... just don't get sucked in to going over your budget.
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I litteraly just watched a video review that said if a gun makes you smile who cares what anyone else says lol...

Well put, I guess my original question before getting this awesome information from the community was... Taking away the looks and engravings and beautiful wood. At what point does dollars translate into performance.

Basically what I’ve found between here and videos(obviously not first hand) is a pie graph would be great here but I’ll try to explain it.


$500-$2000 You get a gun that shoots

$2000-$5000 you get a gun that shoots maybe 10-20% better but may last infinitely longer and much easier to replace parts if needed.

$5000-$8000 more custom fitting and better looking than the category above shoot equally well.

$8000-$20000 Olympic level guns geared towards a specific job and will outlast and outshoot 99% of shooters out there. Also look amazing, super custom guns.

$25,000-$500,000 You are buying a piece of art/investment, some may still pull the art and use it cause hey they have that money and can do what they want.

I may be very wrong on this assessment but this is my findings from the information I have gathered to this point... I never thought this thread would take off but wow am I getting the bug on this and what makes a good gun vs a great gun vs your just spending money for the status.
 
So much BS surrounds 5-25k clay target shotguns it’s like listing to Hunters talk about SR bench rest reloading techniques.
 
It seems to me you're trying too hard to precisely pigeonhole every gun that you can think of. Dumb it down, this is not a quantifiable arena because your choices only apply to you and your tastes, other peoples opinions are just that - opinions. As mentioned here already by wise and experienced people, buy the gun that you like the look and feel of and enjoy shooting. Shoot the $hit out of it for a few years, then decide if you want to step up, down or out. This isn't your first gun, it won't be your last.
 
A fellow at our club came out last night for his first outing of the year and brought with him a new Canuck unsingle combo. From a distance it looked pretty nice and it definitely was working for him. He had the IM mod choke in the unsingle bbl and from the 16 was absolutely crushing the targets. The chokes being used by the manufacturer are Beretta mobil. Up close in hand you could easily pick out the quality difference even at a glance over an entry level B gun. The adjustable butt hardware looked like cast aluminum, it had a weak look about it but it is functional. The recoil pad looked like a very cheap brand of pad that won't stand up to time well but again its new and functional. The wood had that same look as a Ruger 10/22 hardwood carbine with some kind of sprayed on figure and a finish to make it stand out and look like a bit of burl type wood but you could clearly see it's a birch or some kind of hardwood that is not a walnut. The fit and finish surprisingly was not as rough as alot of turkish guns in its class but the receiver finish looked like some kind of a "black" coating made to look like bluing or is possibly a lesser quality bluing. It has that look of the kind of finish you see on white metal trigger guards that eventually flakes with time and use. The barrels looked like true bluing in a finish somewhere between matte and polished. Both barrel sets came with adjustable poi ribs that looked pretty sturdy and the stock was fully adjustable with a 4 way comb and multi adjustable butt including lop adjustment. The gun appears to be a combination of manufacturers build. The barrels are stamped Huglu and the receiver Khan( or was it Kahn?) and the chokes of course Beretta. The receiver had gold lettering with the name Canuck in all capital letters on both sides. Overall it didn't look like a bad combo for $1600. Time will tell how it holds up. I am hoping it works out well for him as he wants to participate in some registered shoots as well as the regular club evenings. I'm interested to see how it stands up. He joined the club last year and probably shot a couple thousand rounds through a Hatsan semi before deciding he wanted something more trap dedicated. He also had in tow an SX3 Sporting he picked up at a real decent price at an auction and his brother was shooting it. I congratulated the young guy on his purchases and when he said he couldn't find listings for registered events furnished him with a list of all the upcoming events for 2021 in both SK and AB and told him he was welcome to travel with us if he was interested. I am really anxious to see how this Canuck stands up to a season of trapshooting with 600+ target weekends.
 
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We have 2 members shooting the Canuck trap combos, while one is not a high volume shooter, second could be be argued as such. Both have had them little over a year, and have had no issues to report so far. Not long term review, but time will tell.
 
hoytcanon said:
With the amount you shoot, you don't need a high volume gun... so basically you just "want" a better gun. In which case you are the only one that can define "want." When you see the aesthetics that appeal to you, and feel the "fit" that helps your body get into the correct positions, and it falls within your budget, you will have found your gun... really, nobody here can answer that question, and really nobody can answer the "is it worth it," question either... other than point you to a bunch of different models to try within your budget. Case in point, you seem very drawn to the 828U, and cosmetically and functionally speaking, that gun would be close to the bottom of my list, and neither of us is wrong. The "right gun" is such a personal thing you really have to follow your heart... when you look at a gun and smile, and shoulder it and say "oh, yeah," then you have the right gun for you... no matter what Joe Schmoe at the club says.

As for what you get for going up in price... you could buy a $1000 Huglu that your grandchildren end up shooting, and you can buy a DT-11 that falls apart in your first range session... BUT, you significantly up the odds of getting the quality gun by paying for the quality materials, fit & finish, and QC inspection, that come with higher priced guns... just don't get sucked in to going over your budget.
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Very well put, to each his own
 
nick237 said:
One is a pipe attached to some cheap wood that happens to chamber shotgun shells and one is a work of art that had countless human hours by an expert artist with countless human hours of time honing their craft
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Does a broken clay know from which barrel it was hit?
 
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