ok, the situation is getting out of hand here... As someone who's pushed and pushed for putting names behind SOME form of protection, let me say this: publically posted names are the reason why several hart house students, who got into ipsc, dropped out of ipsc. THey don't own any guns, they aren't afraid of breakins. They are at the beginning of their careerd, competition for a small number of entry level jobs, and they simple don't want to risk losing jobs, because some HR woman will not appreciate their hobby. "Googling" someone's name is a standard HR thing these days.
This is not an issue for someone like me, who applies for very senior roles, but given the ratio of applicants to openings on the entry level openings, this is not an unreasonable worry.
One of the main reasons I put together ipsc-matches.net was to provided everyone with a way to coordinate match signup in a way which kept everything out of google. I don't believe that MDs should take it upon themselves to force everyone to choose to either publicly declare their membership in ipsc or not shoot matches at all - this was the situation before, when publicly available lists of schedules OR results were being posted (and anytime anyone complained, they were looked upon as if they were crazy). It should be up to the individual shooter to decide how public or how private their association with this (or any) sport is (and yes, I know, top 10 from level 3s get published on ipsc.org).
There is absolutely no excuse why any lists should be publically available. It is trivial to setup simple http authentication, and just use your sections's password, or even just use "password" - the point isn't to keep people away, it's to keep the automated bots away, to prevent the data from getting into google. There are many valid reasons why people might not want to have that happen, re their names, they shouldn't have to justify it to anyone. With the tools available, either simple http authentication or something like ipsc-matches.net, it is inexcusable to keep on putting people's names out, and making those who feel uncomfortable with that feel like THEY are being unreasonable. Otherwise you are imposing your ideas and your attitudes onto others - and don't we fight against that every time we run up against gun-paranoid urbanites?
You know what this reminds me off, a little bit? 2003 Nationals in Edmonton: bullets zinging by our ears, and complains have been met with "ohh, we've been doing it this way for years, stop whining." Same here - just because this is how it's been done until now, that's not a valid reason to continue doing it, when people are bringing up valid conserns. Tools exist to satisfy both sides of this - use them.
This is not an issue for someone like me, who applies for very senior roles, but given the ratio of applicants to openings on the entry level openings, this is not an unreasonable worry.
One of the main reasons I put together ipsc-matches.net was to provided everyone with a way to coordinate match signup in a way which kept everything out of google. I don't believe that MDs should take it upon themselves to force everyone to choose to either publicly declare their membership in ipsc or not shoot matches at all - this was the situation before, when publicly available lists of schedules OR results were being posted (and anytime anyone complained, they were looked upon as if they were crazy). It should be up to the individual shooter to decide how public or how private their association with this (or any) sport is (and yes, I know, top 10 from level 3s get published on ipsc.org).
There is absolutely no excuse why any lists should be publically available. It is trivial to setup simple http authentication, and just use your sections's password, or even just use "password" - the point isn't to keep people away, it's to keep the automated bots away, to prevent the data from getting into google. There are many valid reasons why people might not want to have that happen, re their names, they shouldn't have to justify it to anyone. With the tools available, either simple http authentication or something like ipsc-matches.net, it is inexcusable to keep on putting people's names out, and making those who feel uncomfortable with that feel like THEY are being unreasonable. Otherwise you are imposing your ideas and your attitudes onto others - and don't we fight against that every time we run up against gun-paranoid urbanites?
You know what this reminds me off, a little bit? 2003 Nationals in Edmonton: bullets zinging by our ears, and complains have been met with "ohh, we've been doing it this way for years, stop whining." Same here - just because this is how it's been done until now, that's not a valid reason to continue doing it, when people are bringing up valid conserns. Tools exist to satisfy both sides of this - use them.
