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For the Knotted Knicker set the use of Model of 1917 is incorrect for a Canadian,the common term P-17 was used by the Director of Military Operations and Training in his memorandum of August 27 1940 to the Chief of the General Staff. The Chief of the General Staff then sent a recomendation to C.D. Howe on August 28 that 100,000 P-17s be acquired. So P-17 is O.K.

"U.S. Rifle,Cal.30. Model of 1917",the Canadian Army designated the rifles"Rifles ,Enfield.30/06"

They also used 30 Enfield,and Enfield in correspondance and lists.They had rejected offers of P-14s.Enfield being different than the Lee-Enfield.

Taken from Defending the Dominion by David W. Edgecombe.

So the use of M1917 can be considered a Yankee affectation.But it doesn't matter that much,we will understand you mean Enfield 30/06:D :D
 
A couple of years back a ,a red banded one,Prince of Wales reg.?? was making the rounds at the HACS gunshows,asking $250.My sporter had a C-broad arrow on the reciever.The red band was to be all rifles and maintained.The C-broad arrow was not required.

My P-17 sporter had a S.I.N. on it,a low numbered 700,likely B.C. resident in his 80s now.When you have the history of a rifle,it makes it special.
 
Regardless of what the Director of military operations and training, or the Chief of the general Staff called the rifle, that IS NOT what is stamped on the reciever.
Considering that ALL the P14's and model 1917's were made by "Yankees" it can hardly be called an affectation.;)
 
Since when did American's pay attention to what was stamped on their firearms???? Case in point, the M1 "Garand"..... and I don't think the 45/70 Springfield Trapdoor has trapdoor stamped on it anywhere... :D
 
I never thought about it,but you do have point there,even Springfield for M'03 would be a wrong. See how silly one can get.I think we could write a skit for Monty Python out of this.
 
Sgt Striker said:
Since when did American's pay attention to what was stamped on their firearms???? Case in point, the M1 "Garand"..... and I don't think the 45/70 Springfield Trapdoor has trapdoor stamped on it anywhere... :D
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Irrelevant. The M1917 has Model 1917 stamped on it.
Garand, a Canadian by birth, invented the M1. When I was issued mine, we called it a M1 rifle, not a Garand. It is a U.S. rifle, calibre 30 M1
A gas operated, aircooled, clip fed, semi-automatic shoulder weapon.

Trap door in the case of the 45-70 describes the type of action not the name of the rifle.
 
It's call a M1 rifle, eh....

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The "Knotted Knicker Set" - good one. For those who will make a great fuss over the use of "correct" names for the goodness and purity of the discipline of firearms collecting, please continue. There is value to it, but don't be so preachy please. :rolleyes:

Consider the names P17, M96/38, and Garand. The usage of those names has come to be associated with a specific firearm. You could say that the "official" name is really no more than the "original" name, as the firearms are no longer in use or on the inventory of the organizations that specified that name. Language changes, and so the English-language firearms community has developed its own vernacular, including names for guns.

Of course there is value to a single, well-documented name. I call "Salvelinus fontinalis" a "Brook Trout", or "Speckled Trout" (or "Brookie" or "Speck"), and most places in Canada you will know it's the same fish. It can get dicey with some species though, at which point the answer is found when we refer to the "Correct" Latin name.
 
Sgt Striker said:
It's call a M1 rifle, eh....

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Nice, but we still called it the M1. Not the Garand.
The Thunderbolt II is called the "Warthog"
The F111 is called the "Aardvark".
The A7 was called a SLUF (short little ugly f...er

Technicaly you are correct but not correct in the common usage. eh?
During my three years on active duty nobody referred to the rifle as a Garand.
 
downwindtracker2 said:
For the Knotted Knicker set the use of Model of 1917 is incorrect for a Canadian,the common term P-17 was used by the Director of Military Operations and Training in his memorandum of August 27 1940 to the Chief of the General Staff. The Chief of the General Staff then sent a recomendation to C.D. Howe on August 28 that 100,000 P-17s be acquired. So P-17 is O.K.

"U.S. Rifle,Cal.30. Model of 1917",the Canadian Army designated the rifles"Rifles ,Enfield.30/06"

They also used 30 Enfield,and Enfield in correspondance and lists.They had rejected offers of P-14s.Enfield being different than the Lee-Enfield.

Taken from Defending the Dominion by David W. Edgecombe.

So the use of M1917 can be considered a Yankee affectation.But it doesn't matter that much,we will understand you mean Enfield 30/06:D :D
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A nitpicking consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds!:D
 
I guess I should be calling all Colt 1911A1's "Modello 1927" because that's what the Argentinians called them........
 
Nice, but we still called it the M1. Not the Garand.
The Thunderbolt II is called the "Warthog"
The F111 is called the "Aardvark".
The A7 was called a SLUF (short little ugly f...er
And the Thunderbolt I was called "The Jug" :)
PP.
 
Nice, but we still called it the M1. Not the Garand.
The Thunderbolt II is called the "Warthog"
The F111 is called the "Aardvark".
The A7 was called a SLUF (short little ugly f...er

And the Thunderbolt I was called "The Jug"... :)
PP.
 
Er... do we have this sorted out now?

(And thank you, Downwindtracker2, for "knotted knicker set"- a wonderful phrase!)

:) Stuart
 
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