P.O.F Enfield 1961 ( Range Report 2-3-2012 )

Dench said:
That looks really nice! I am starting to lose interest in plastic rifles after snooping around here the last few days.
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Baaaaaaaahhhhhh your hooked now, you think having one or 2 black rifles is expensive.....

try to stop buying milsurps first one is easy but then it needs a friend, or you want one from the other side of the conflict, then you find out there were several different varients, after you buy a second or third gunlocker you'll start thinking 'hey I could just convert that spare room' and it gets worse..... :D just look at smellie, I think he has high speed internet now in his sock closet. :D
 
Well disappointing day. The only ammo that group decent was the surplus stuff... the rest just plain sucked... any idea why ?

 
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Might shoot better with heavier grain bullets. Those 150 grains I think are light, possibley the 180 too. Hey...what kind of spotting scope is your buddy using there?
 
sorry to see your mediocre results, but it's nor the rifle, neither the ammo.

Watch your video and have a look, you are most definitely not a rifle shooter.
 
DILLIGAF said:
Both of my arms are resting on the shooting table.... Chair is to high and table is to low... lol...
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I know how you feel. It took me years to be able to shoot decent groups off a bench. I actually do better prone. Try relaxing a bit & take it easy on the trigger. First milsurp?
 
Dilligaf I don't want to discourage you with your Mk2, I purchased an "Irish Contract" ROF/F 1/54 a few years ago and I'll share with you my first experience at 50yds with FMJ 174gr handloads, loaded to MkVIIspec velocity and producing 2520 at 15 feet in my No4. I wanted to know I would be on paper, I used a standard sheet of paper with a 2" square orange aiming point placed on top of the front sight.

My son was spotting for me with only my 10X42 binocs at the time, didn't bring the Spotting Scope .....and he called the first round.

I fired again. He couldn't see it.

I fired again. He couldn't see it. WTF!!! A Buckshot pattern FFS!!! Did I get .308" FMJ's mixed up for .3105"???

On examination of the target before wasting one more precious round, I discovered a keyhole, so I was right they are all over the pace ,...hmmmmm...

Looked more closely at the target and saw not a keyhole but all three making one enlarged hole. Whoopeeee.....

Those POF rifles were made on the same tooling as the ROF Fazakerly I'm sure you know that, and they should be able to shoot. Maybe a complete going over of the stock set up is in order. I fired from a bench rest as well with butt bag added and of course using the smaller aperture as you did. Maybe adding a butt bag to your set-up, buying some S&B FMJ rounds, which shoot nicely in mine, and practising the target let off for the No4 trigger.

Don't get discouraged early on, I never saw an Enfield that wouldn't shoot. A co-worker took his old sportered 1917 BSA, matching with CBroad Arrows out with us last time to the range, and it was all over the place. When I was finished with my AR I took it to my bench, took out two S&B FMJ's I had in my ammo box and fired both at 100 yards. They printed about 1.5" from each other, I showed him and then realized he was mixing up every weight and type round he had left over for years!!!!

I had a downloaded version of an Aussies book on setting up the Enfield for accuracy and it is worth reading. I had to reformat my drive and lost it and don't remember his name right off. I'd say settle down on a good bench rest and get used to the trigger let off first, before any working on the stock set..
 
I've found that the federal 150gr SP ammo usually groups very well in #4 Lee Enfields. I've had a couple that would shoot better than 1moa with it with a scope on the rifle.
 
No4 rifles, reflect their condition by how well they shoot. They also reflect on how well they were put back together and the shooting technique.

I was very lucky with my POF from P&S, it is 95% inside and out. It was one of the first he brought in.

I've had several others go through my hands and have shot at least half a dozen, maybe more.

One thing they all did, even those with frosty bores, was shoot well. Some shot extremely well.

What do I call shooting well??? If they hold into 3-5 inches at 100 yards, with surplus ammo, that is about what their war time standards were set at.

I find they all like good bullets and prefer flat base 174 grain over boat tails.

They have a tight bore on average and it's usually very consistent, no tight or loose spots.

The groups you were getting, weren't great but considering your shooting style, were about what would be expected.

You're a big boy, that stock is to short for you. That will develop a flinch for most people. I didn't notice a flinch from you.

I did notice you acquired your target very quickly. Maybe to quickly before you pulled the trigger.

Being bundled up in bulky clothes, lousy rest position etc, took its toll on your accuracy.

I noticed you and your bud had the spotting scope set up on the part of the bench you should have been resting your elbows and body against.

All of this adds to the problems of wandering groups.

That Winchester Grey Box ammo is usually very good in just about any Lee Enfield. It's consistent in velocity and has proper rim thickness.

Check your King Screw tension and even though they may look clean, degrease the ways in the bedding. These rifles have been issued and many of them have seen rough use and been in combat. They show the stress and wear from this. Many other No 4s have slightly bashed ways. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to find the POF rifles suffer from the same problem.

A poorly tensioned King Screw, will only exacerbate the condition.

Lee Enfields are wonderful rifles. They have their pit falls, just like Mausers or Mosins. Spend some time on that rifle. It's in decent shape and with a bit of TLC it will shoot as well as you can hold it.

You really should source a long or extra long butt stock for it as well, if you keep it. You have a long trigger reach and it shows. The longer stock or slip over pad will help a lot with sight picture.
 
Thanks for all the suggestion, its much appreciated. This is my first Milsurp and non scoped riffle I have. I usually dont have any issues with grouping. But using scoped riffles at 100y does take lots of the guess work out of things...

On the other hand, I cant see my bad habits might also be why I have yet to hit the steel plate I have set up at 572 yards in the bush. Even tho my 10-FCPK .308 groups under 1 inch at 100...

Not making any excuses on my poor technique. But I started shooting 2 years ago and I learned as I go. I do appreciate when people point things out to improve my accuracy.

Will go back out next weekend and will try to find a better rest or a big sandbag. Just checked my King screw and its GTG as well...
 
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