P-Series (Private) Civilian issue K31 7.5x55mm rifle

[EL34/6L6]

Yeah, almost makes me want to scoop up another one to shoot because this one is so pristine.

 

[superbee]

Pic of my P series,like new condition.Shoots fantastic.

 

[wbaad]

I need a real p210 to go with my k31. 299 sale?

 

[mkrnel]

Most "P" were added to the Swiss military K31s after they were released from Military inventory into private hands.
I.E. "P" meant not stolen from the military.

Most, if not, all Commercial K31s had the "P" from the start, mostly made by Hämmerli.
The heavy barrel target version were not so marked and other K31 series with only 4 digit serial numbers.

Target Commercial rifles:
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/carlosdiaopter/slideshow/K31 Commercial Production

"Israeli/Nicaraguan" K31s
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/carlosdiaopter/slideshow/K31 Nicaragua IDF

Yes, my one pictured is a Hammerli made one as the barrel has no military markings or even serial number on it like the military ones do but does have the Hammerli stamp.

 

[mkrnel]

I think mine may have yours beat.

Your one does look like a later made one as it has a beech stock instead of a walnut one.

 

[Beaner1976]

Everyone seems to prefer walnut but I like the beech just the same. Any difference in strength or resilience in the two ?

 

[polaris]

Most "P" were added to the Swiss military K31s after they were released from Military inventory into private hands.
I.E. "P" meant not stolen from the military.
Most, if not, all Commercial K31s had the "P" from the start, mostly made by Hämmerli.
The heavy barrel target version were not so marked and other K31 series with only 4 digit serial numbers.

Target Commercial rifles:
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/carlosdiaopter/slideshow/K31 Commercial Production

"Israeli/Nicaraguan" K31s
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/carlosdiaopter/slideshow/K31 Nicaragua IDF

That makes sense, and I believe mine fall into this category.

 

[Bojangles]

I have a couple Swiss rifles with the "P" marks on them....

The first is a 1931

The second is a bit more unusual in that it is a model 1911. I assume from the markings it was transferred to Private ownership after military service.

Cheers!

B

 

[Redblack]

Where are you guys finding these "P" marked ones? All I ever see for sale at WSS and at the calgary shooting centre are ones that have chewed up stocks and/or poor blueing.

 

[diopter]

I have a couple Swiss rifles with the "P" marks on them....
The second is a bit more unusual in that it is a model 1911. I assume from the markings it was transferred to Private ownership after military service.

Cheers!

B

With the pre-K31 rifles, a P and two digits would be the year it was privatized.
Your M1911 left the Swiss Military Inventory in 1938

 

[Bojangles]

With the pre-K31 rifles, a P and two digits would be the year it was privatized.
Your M1911 left the Swiss Military Inventory in 1938

Thanks for the information

B

 

[diopter]

Thanks for the information

B

Btw; rare to find a 1911 with those anschutz sights on this side of the Atlantic. That diopter rig was the one approved for 300m competition with the 1911 and 96/11.

 

[mkrnel]

Where are you guys finding these "P" marked ones? All I ever see for sale at WSS and at the calgary shooting centre are ones that have chewed up stocks and/or poor blueing.

There was only about 17,000 P-Series Commercial made K31's over about 37 years and none were used for military service so that is why they are mostly in nice shape compared to issue K31's, also compare that quantity to about 650,000 military issue K31's.

And most K31's brought into North America in the past were directly from military storage and the commercial ones came in only in small quantities in small shipments of previously private held Swiss firearms.

 

[EL34/6L6]

Your one does look like a later made one as it has a beech stock instead of a walnut one.

Yes, 1954 Military. Does have a P stamped on the tang (only) though.
My understanding is this indicated one of their Military rifles as officially being turned over to/sold to a private civilian for ownership. Decommissioned essentially. I have no source reference for that however.

 

[Bojangles]

Does anyone know how many Model 1911 Swiss rifles that were released for private ownership (P markings)?

Cheers!

B

 

[mikerock]

I have a couple Swiss rifles with the "P" marks on them....

The first is a 1931

The second is a bit more unusual in that it is a model 1911. I assume from the markings it was transferred to Private ownership after military service.

Cheers!

B

If you ever want to sell this rifle, I will buy it.

 

[diopter]

Putting diopter on a 1911
http://theswissriflesdotcommessageb...and-the-add-of-a-genuine-diopter#.VdpnSCVVikp

Trade-ex had some nice diopters. Bought a few of the older Anschutz, Walther and Feinwerkbau's I needed.
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/carlosdiaopter/slideshow/Diopters/Diopters 22

 

[mkrnel]

Does anyone know how many Model 1911 Swiss rifles that were released for private ownership (P markings)?

Cheers!

B

Rifle Serial Numbers
Year	Quantity	From	To		Remark
1912	6000	355001	361000		Lauf mit 230mm Drall
1913	14000	349001	350000		Die Gewehre im Bereich 349'001 bis 350'000 wurden mit alter Kolbenkappe hergestellt. Lauf mit 270mm Drall.
1913	14000	350001	355000		Lauf mit 230mm Drall
1913	14000	361001	365000		Lauf mit 230mm Drall
1913	14000	365001	369000
1914	5000	369001	374000
1915	22000	374001	396000
1916	32000	396001	428000
1917	31000	428001	459000
1918	20000	459001	479000
1919	3000	479001	482000
	200	P 5000	P 5200
	1	P 5219	P 5219
	698	P 5251	P 5948
		P 5949	P 12000		Beobachtungen zeigen Privat-IG 11 bis ca. Waffennummer 12'000. Die Produktion wurde bis in die 30er Jahre weiter geführt. Dem Autor bekannte Nummern: P.6719 P.8019 P.8292 P.9109 (egun.ch, April 2015) P.9140 (forum) P.9632

 

[kennymo]

I was planing on selling this Civilian P-Series K31 rifle to somebody I know well but first thought I would post pictures so others could enjoy what a excellent condition Factory P-Series K31 looks like before I do as they are very seldom seen as they were just a fraction of the normal military K31 production.

Judging from it's excellent condition (no bluing loss and excellent dent free wood) I think it has seen very limited range only use -

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Here's a question, I have the bayonet for mine, a slightly different model that came with my obviously military issued rifle (hobnail boot stock ) and that thing is absolutely shaving sharp. Is this common on Swiss bayonets or did someone put mine to the stone at some point? Not a single other military rifle in the collection has a bayonet that could be considered actually sharp anywhere but the point, I'd been told this was to prevent them sticking in their intended victim?

 

[mkrnel]

Here's a question, I have the bayonet for mine, a slightly different model that came with my obviously military issued rifle (hobnail boot stock ) and that thing is absolutely shaving sharp. Is this common on Swiss bayonets or did someone put mine to the stone at some point? Not a single other military rifle in the collection has a bayonet that could be considered actually sharp anywhere but the point, I'd been told this was to prevent them sticking in their intended victim?

I think you will find that somebody has sharpen your one as I have seen and handled many including a fair few new ones and none were sharp enough to cut without a lot of force. They like most bayonets are designed to puncture more so than to slice or cut.