P14/p17 lack of collector interest????????????????????

ramhunter said:
I really don't get how you guys can pay a small fortune. For these surplus rifles ?

And then you have to post something trying to make people think they are something special ??

I know lets pay $1000 plus for a Lee whatever. they are maybe worth $250 tops.. You are the same guys that drove the price of a Garand up near $2000. give your head a shake Kids, they are not worth it. If you all just said nope not paying that much all the prices would go down, Not that I would buy one anyway Been There done that. No Lee Enfield is worth $800 even if Winston Churchill owned it or the Queen used it for a pole dance.

Have fun and keep watching the MSM news. Oh yeah there will be free Kool Aid down at the CBC for family day.
Wake Up
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A strange little person. Makes me wonder why he would be spending time in the Milsurp Forum.
 
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MuthaFunk said:
These old guns are often worth much more than their prices when they’re first introduced which starts the collectors collection.


The Mosin or SKS’ for $99 for example or even the K31’s for $250. When first brought into the country the prices are low and there is genuine value when compared to modern makes. The history side is mearly a bonus but acts as a seed to grow in the mind of the owner.

I have a couple of M1917’s and both are very nicely built quality firearms. The sporter version was a bargain. The full wood one I have has the ability to trick your mind into taking you back in time to a different era. That kind of majic is hard to come by in life.

Musicians experience the same with vintage quality instruments. There’s more to owing a piece of history than simply the sum of its parts.
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Another related notion is that Americans in particular kept "sporterizing" the Model 1917 for several years (decades?) after they ceased to do so with the 1903; part of that was due to mythical reverence for the 1903, and part of that was due to the 1917's stronger utility as a "build platform"... :yingyang:
 
ramhunter said:
I really don't get how you guys can pay a small fortune. For these surplus rifles ?

And then you have to post something trying to make people think they are something special ??

I know lets pay $1000 plus for a Lee whatever. they are maybe worth $250 tops.. You are the same guys that drove the price of a Garand up near $2000. give your head a shake Kids, they are not worth it. If you all just said nope not paying that much all the prices would go down, Not that I would buy one anyway Been There done that. No Lee Enfield is worth $800 even if Winston Churchill owned it or the Queen used it for a pole dance.

Have fun and keep watching the MSM news. Oh yeah there will be free Kool Aid down at the CBC for family day.
Wake Up
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You certainly have the right to your own opinion, but why do you feel compelled to offend fellow members with the stupid comments while expressing your own views?

...gives us a pretty good clue about what kind of person you are.
 
Winchester-1897 said:
Ramhunter seems to be a Member here in good standing and he has right to his views and opinions. He is no Troll I think, but guys like you seem to be trolling him. :)
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I disagree. His last few lines are quite disrespectful and totally irrelevant.

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One of the first firearms I ever owned was a P17, good gun, my only complaint was finding a replacement stock at a reasonable price was damn near impossible.
 
Winchester-1897 said:
There is a lot of stuff said on here that can appear irrelevant and sometimes seem disrespectful.
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And most of the time it doesn't find it's way into the milsurp section.

My opinion on the P14 and M1917 is that there aren't enough unsporterized originals out there for them to actually become popular, which would increase their demand. I wouldn't mind having one, but I am not overly attracted to them. I suppose if I could see one in person that was in nice condition (and not beat up and mismatched like many I have seen) then I would pay slightly more then the going rate.
 
...I am watching a show on Netflix called Ghost Town Gold. It's like those pickers shows, but more focused on old mining towns.

The pair of collectors just paid a guy $1200 for two old glass soda bottles. This is a good example of collector pricing, considering those bottles wouldn't have been worth their contents back in the day.
 
themouser said:
Anyone have a non weedon repair P14?
I've been looking for one not sure if there is any to speak of in Canada
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I have 2. One is missing the front volley sight arm but the rear is intact.

Anyone know where I can get a replacement P14 front volley arm? Is it interchangeable with the SMLE's front volley? I am not an Enfield expert and I've read conflicting info on the 'net. Thanks.
 
Should be, same cartridge after all - so the sights should be the same. I did find the reproduction volley arm wasn't drilled to the correct size when I installed it on an SMLE.
 
The front volley plate is the same though the Long lee to the P14 the only difference is the graduations, however the pointer arm is different on the P14 in being longer.
 
Eaglelord17 said:
The volley sights were different for each rifle. Here is a link showing the different variations that were used.
https://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=175-Enfield-Dial-Sights-(Variations)

For what your likely to do I don't think it really matters as you aren't actually going to be using it as intended, but there was a functional difference in practicality.
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The LES III marked sight is for MkVI & not MkVII as stated in the above link, it is not the numerical successor to the LES2 sight as the graduations are the same between a LES & LES III, the III is not stamped directly along side the LES as in the LES2 marked sight but elsewhere on the plate, (with slight variations on location) it simply means its for the MkIII the LES2 is for "all SMLEs" sighted for MkVII
 
I don't understand why they aren't as sought out as many of the other milsurp rifles neither, considering that they had a very short production time and most of them have been ruined over the past hundred years.
Possibly, since they are scarce, most people don't realize how cool these things really are?. Just look in the EE to see how many are for sale, versus how many 98's or lee enfields are available........Actually, maybe this is a good thing and I will be able to scoop up a couple before they become more in demand!
I think they are "sleepers" and will be the next milsurps to sky rocket in value, just like the 1903, and garands have in the past decade.
 
elKrusto said:
I don't understand why they aren't as sought out as many of the other milsurp rifles neither, considering that they had a very short production time and most of them have been ruined over the past hundred years.
Possibly, since they are scarce, most people don't realize how cool these things really are?. Just look in the EE to see how many are for sale, versus how many 98's or lee enfields are available........Actually, maybe this is a good thing and I will be able to scoop up a couple before they become more in demand!
I think they are "sleepers" and will be the next milsurps to sky rocket in value, just like the 1903, and garands have in the past decade.
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I only paid $240.00 for mine so I'd be good with that. ;)
 
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