does anyone know if the stocks are the same on the millitary P14/ P17 rifles?. been thinking about a boyds stock , for a P14. i dont have a 17 to give it a try, and see if they will fit. i would think they will, but.......
P14 / P17
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ok its P14 and M17 
and I have a P14 in an M17 stock so they fit
and if you really care its the Pattern 14, Patt'14
and 30 Caliber Model 1917 rifle
But thats gettin annal
and I have a P14 in an M17 stock so they fit
and if you really care its the Pattern 14, Patt'14
and 30 Caliber Model 1917 rifle
But thats gettin annal
.... They will functionally interchange. However, the P14 would normally have the volley, or remnants of it, sites on the left side of the fore-stock. Also when you "drop" a P14 into M17 stock, there's a little more space visible around the rear receiver "tang" ..... small differences that don't affect the rifles functioning ! (if you do go for an aftermarket stock, you will need to save the magazine box!! ) ..... David K.
The Boyd's stocks seem too pricey for my blood, especially when you can get a used one for cheaper (when you find one, though used M-17 stocks are generally easier to come by). You can get used stock sets for $50 U.S. when you find them. The Boyd's go for $160 and Numrich for $130 for repro stocks (minus the metal) and may require inletting.
Besides, an M-17 stock is slightly different than a P-14 stock. I'd hold out for a genuine P-14 stock set or settle for a nice target/varmint stock from Boyd's, but that's me.
P.S. is anyone selling P-14 wood or know someone who is?
Besides, an M-17 stock is slightly different than a P-14 stock. I'd hold out for a genuine P-14 stock set or settle for a nice target/varmint stock from Boyd's, but that's me.
P.S. is anyone selling P-14 wood or know someone who is?
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- WMU248 near Edmonton
Tyler said:P.S. is anyone selling P-14 wood or know someone who is?
I'll look in my bubba bin
might have someting ugly if that what your looking for I got mine from Numerich, it was a DP set.
woodchopper said:I'll look in my bubba bin
I got mine from Numerich, it was a DP set.
Hey, if you've got full-wood (hehehe) I'll take it. I'm not picky.
Every time I've checked with Numrich's web-page, they are always out of stock. How did you luck out?
The P14 and M17 trigger guaed assemblies are different in their dimensions and are not interchangable. This means that the wood stock would require fitting in this area.
If you are fitting a Sporter, this would not be a problem. However, if you are refitting a militry fullstock rifle, there are also severl differences in detailthat would show up, but would make no difference in the fitting.
If you are fitting a Sporter, this would not be a problem. However, if you are refitting a militry fullstock rifle, there are also severl differences in detailthat would show up, but would make no difference in the fitting.
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I had the M17 stock on a P14, but sold it off after I got the DP set.
Numerich has parts that are sometimes listed as sold out, you have to phone and talk to Renada
I got the P14 stock about 2 years ago, so they are more then likely sold out now.
Numerich has parts that are sometimes listed as sold out, you have to phone and talk to Renada
I got the P14 stock about 2 years ago, so they are more then likely sold out now.
it is a full millitary 14 and id very much like to keep it that way. i never thought about the long range site, that would be gone. the rifle is in very nice shape, good bore and all that. the stock however, is a different story. beat is an understatment, so i was thinking about a boyds new walnut mill spec replacement. and yes, if anyone knows of someone making new P14 wood, id like to hear from them.
Beater said:
I'd like to hear from them too, but I have yet to see any in my travels. Custom is always an option, but that would be expensive if you couldn't do it yourself.
BTW, if you ever want to get rid of that beat up wood, let me know.
Beater, not all P14 stocks are inletted for the voley or long range sights, that is an early pattern, called a pot belly (I think). Most of them that I've seen, are vey similar to the M17 except the M17 has finger grooves and the P14 has a disc cut out on the right butt cheek. Other than that, they will interchange easily. As for the Boyds stock, yes they require some fitting, but sure do look sharp when finished. It can be next to impossible to find real wood for either and stocks in VG or better condition can cost as much as a complete rifle. I haven't seen a decent stock set for $50 in years and I'm always on the prowl for milsurp wood of just about any kind, so long as it hasn't been cut down. Remember, the original stocks were made 90+ years ago and some were made later for replacement as late as 1940+ or so I've been told. I would like to believe that there are still lots of replacement stocks in forgotten gov't storage somewhere, just like the Argentine 91 mauser stock I picked up recently. bearhunter
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Stock for a P14
.... If cleaning up the original type stock doesn't work, it's a long shot, but you might want to try Western Gun Parts in Alberta for replacement parts/stock etc. I know as of last year they did have a few parts for the P14/M17, and it's a Canadian Company, and easy to deal with . The P14 really is a fun gun to play with, and potentially, very accurate ,even with the Iron Sights ! ...David K.
.... If cleaning up the original type stock doesn't work, it's a long shot, but you might want to try Western Gun Parts in Alberta for replacement parts/stock etc. I know as of last year they did have a few parts for the P14/M17, and it's a Canadian Company, and easy to deal with . The P14 really is a fun gun to play with, and potentially, very accurate ,even with the Iron Sights ! ...David K.
Spencer, you are absolutely correct, I just didn't want to confuse the issu any more than it already was. I suspect that the P14 stocks with the finger grooves were later replacement stocks, but of course, I can't prove it. My only claim to knowledge of new replacement stocks being manufactured right into the early stages of WW2 came from a dearly missed friend, that was an armourer before, dureing and after the wecond world war, commented on them more than once and had a few contacts that could scrape the odd one up on pretty short notice.
They were always brand new without metal and wrapped in heavy brown wax paper, tied at the wrist and forend with white canvas ribbon and with a description tag taped to them. They were fully finished and beautiful.
Those were good times and these are good memories, thanks for reminding me. bearhunter
They were always brand new without metal and wrapped in heavy brown wax paper, tied at the wrist and forend with white canvas ribbon and with a description tag taped to them. They were fully finished and beautiful.
Those were good times and these are good memories, thanks for reminding me. bearhunter
