P14 / P17

Beater said:
thanks for the info. i have not had opertunity to get a look at a boyds.
im not interested in anything except full millitary
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I guess that I misread your post. I thought that you had a full militry stock that you wanted to get rid off.
 
it is in full millitary stick now, but its really bad, like i said, beat is an understatement. the bore is AA++ and shootes incredibly well. i thought maybe id get a nice boyds stock, and have it reblued, i wanted to make sure the M17 stock would fit.
 
bearhunter said:
Spencer, you are absolutely correct, I just didn't want to confuse the issu any more than it already was. I suspect that the P14 stocks with the finger grooves were later replacement stocks, but of course, I can't prove it. My only claim to knowledge of new replacement stocks being manufactured right into the early stages of WW2 came from a dearly missed friend, that was an armourer before, dureing and after the wecond world war, commented on them more than once and had a few contacts that could scrape the odd one up on pretty short notice.
They were always brand new without metal and wrapped in heavy brown wax paper, tied at the wrist and forend with white canvas ribbon and with a description tag taped to them. They were fully finished and beautiful.
Those were good times and these are good memories, thanks for reminding me. bearhunter
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Weedon(sp?) repaired/rebuilt P14's with new stocks. Generally though you can tell the difference from a 1917 stock as the P14 weedon repairs had shorter finger grooves then the 1917 stocks.
If spencer could take a pic of under side where the trigger housing meets the wood, (or if it has any WWI eagle acceptance stamps) it would tell us better if it's a 1917 stock.
 
Hitzy said:
If spencer could take a pic of under side where the trigger housing meets the wood, (or if it has any WWI eagle acceptance stamps) it would tell us better if it's a 1917 stock.
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My camera is not good enough to show details like eagle heads, but the stock I have is definately a 1917 stock, it has the eagle head marks and I also bought it as a 1917 stock.

I need a new stock myself for a Winchester that has had it's wood sporterised. They are getting hard to come by nowadays.
 
I was doing some browsing and came across this: h ttp://www.rifle-stocks.com/actions_available.htm

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Apparently they will do up P-14 stocks in straightened guard or 'pot belly' guard, with the 'pot belly' stock costing a little extra.

Does anyone know the difference? Is the straightened P-14 set meant for the modified P-14's without the volley sights?

Anyone have any experience with this company?
 
Tyler said:
I was doing some browsing and came across this: h ttp://www.rifle-stocks.com/actions_available.htm

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Apparently they will do up P-14 stocks in straightened guard or 'pot belly' guard, with the 'pot belly' stock costing a little extra.

Does anyone know the difference? Is the straightened P-14 set meant for the modified P-14's without the volley sights?

Anyone have any experience with this company?
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Are you referring to the P14 bottom metal being straightened? In many sporterized configs, the bottom metal will be straightened, eliminating the unsightly pot belly.
Thanks for the link though, I might have to order on soon.:D
 
kell2784 said:
Are you referring to the P14 bottom metal being straightened?
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I have no idea, I thought there were different stocks issued in WW1 and WW2, since they removed the volley sights after WW1 and made new stocks without the inletting for them.

This is confusing.... :confused:
 
There is a stock configuration that is referred to by some collectors called the " fat boy " Here is a listing of the variations; Pattern 14, 1st. Variation- remington and Winchester made stocks, inletted for stock disc and dial sight disc, transverse hole drilled through stock for dial sight disc screw and has a fore-end reinforcement screw and a reinforcement tie-bolt. Sniper versions of the Winchester stock had a seperate wood cheek piece added.

The second variation of the Pattern 14 stock was made by Eddystone and it is the one that is sometimes called the " fat boy " or " bellied " or " fatso " stock. There is a significant swell from just behind the front trigger guard plate screw hole to aboutfour inches ahead of it. This swell parallels the bore and the left side of the swell has a long angled grooce in it to allow clearance to view the dial or volley sight. There are no finger grooves in ths stock. This stock is also inletted for the marking disc.
The third variation of the Pattern 14 stock was made in Scotland during WW2 by the Morris company and is not inletted or drilled for the volley sights or the butt stock making disc.

The most readily identifiable difference between the Pattern 14 stocks and the Model 1917 stocks is the length of the fnger grooves; longer in the Model 1917, The Model 1917 also has a longer magazine well and slightly dfferent inletting for the trigger guard plate. The model 1917 Enfield stock has only oone hole bored in the buttstock to accept a nickle plated tube. One half of the tube was the oiler and the other half held the pull through. The Pattern 14 stock has more holes drilled in the butt stock. The handguards will interchange generally but the Model 1917 handguards( rear ) have rivets which are set further back from the ends than on the Pattern 14. This information was gotten from the Late Charles Stratton's book, The Pattern 1914 and US Model 1917 Rilfes published by North Cape Productions, Inc. A very reliable source for the collector and Mr. Stratton was a real gentleman to deal with, he will be missed. Best regards, Joe
 
kell2784; Thanks! I was just paraphrasing what is in Stratton's book. North Cape has a whole series of such books, each about 150 pages or so. Stratton's contribution has been on the Pattern 14 and Model 1917 Enfield, The various SMLEs, the No.4s. He passed away before being able to complete the remainder of the series. In the books the parts are illustrated as line drawings and each part is compared with others if appropriate. This series is handy to have, gives an easily readable readyu resource. There are many other similar books from North Cape and they can be reached at www.northcapepubs.com Average price per soft bound book is about $15.00USD, some are around $20.00USD. Anyway thanks for your kind comment but all the credit goes to the Startton book. Best regards, Joe
 
Calum said:
I need full P14 wood (and accessories)...my rifle is tired of being a sporter. :(
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Maybe we could get enough people together for a group buy? Or get a dealer to get them for us and sell them at cost? A 20% discount wouldn't be too shabby.
 
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