P14 stripper clips?
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Was there such a thing? If so, what did they look like and how did you use it?Thanks!
P 14 rifle uses the same stripper clips as the Lee Enfield rifle, P 14 is chambered in .303 British,
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But it does hold 5, which is how many each charger holds.[/URL][/IMG]
When my dad joined the British Army in 1939, 2nd Battalion, Welsh Guards, he and his company spent many hours , in training how to correctly load their SMLE rifles , with chargers, or stripper clips , using 303 drill rounds as well as sighting , breathing , trigger squeeze , estimating distance , and rapid reloading using the charger , before going to the range
A lot of the Small Arms Training pamphlets on rifles will have a diagram of the correctly loaded charger, in addition to loading drills.
https://vickersmg.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/01-03-42.pdf Scroll down to Lesson 5.
https://vickersmg.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/01-03-42.pdf Scroll down to Lesson 5.
OP, the beauty of the Pattern 14 and even the Lee magazine equipped Enfield rifles is that they can have their magazines quickly topped up with single rounds through the top as well as filled quickly with the proper charges.
Mauser bolt rifles shared this advantage as well.
Of course, the Garand/Stg44 rifles and later interchangeable magazine semi auto rifles changed all of that.
In properly trained/practiced hands though the charger feeding system is still very effective.
Those pics of how to properly load the chargers are confusing to people that first view them. It doesn't work any other way though.
The chargers used for Mosin Nagant bolt actions and the SVT38 and SVT40 rifles are different and straight.
It can all be confusing.
The Manlicher charging system is similar and used in different milsurps as well, such as French Lebels and Austro Hungarian straight pulls, which also have rimmed cartridges.
There was a good reason for the flange style rims back in the early days of breach loaders, but better manufacturing techniques and better components changed it all to rimless case designs for the most part
There is a lot written on how and why the changes were made. One biggie is eliminating the flange saves a lot of brass over millions of rounds.
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Mauser bolt rifles shared this advantage as well.
Of course, the Garand/Stg44 rifles and later interchangeable magazine semi auto rifles changed all of that.
In properly trained/practiced hands though the charger feeding system is still very effective.
Those pics of how to properly load the chargers are confusing to people that first view them. It doesn't work any other way though.
The chargers used for Mosin Nagant bolt actions and the SVT38 and SVT40 rifles are different and straight.
It can all be confusing.
The Manlicher charging system is similar and used in different milsurps as well, such as French Lebels and Austro Hungarian straight pulls, which also have rimmed cartridges.
There was a good reason for the flange style rims back in the early days of breach loaders, but better manufacturing techniques and better components changed it all to rimless case designs for the most part
There is a lot written on how and why the changes were made. One biggie is eliminating the flange saves a lot of brass over millions of rounds.
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Not really, being that rounds have to be clicked into the magazine otherwise the controlled feed will often not work. Sort of like the unloading drill for K98s requires the bolt to be run fully forward (but not locked) and then fully aft to eject the round(s).
Video; start at 9:09 where the bolt design and feed are discussed.
True, the Enfield charger clips are very common - but you want to make sure you get English made ones if you intend to use them.
The really common ones are the Italian made Mk. IIIs (if I remember the Mk. correctly) marked GMI. They're parkerized with a lovely sandpaper texture and the clip ends are too tight - so stripping off rounds is a nightmare without a lot of sanding and careful adjustment. But, they're cheap, so... The Limey made ones can command a bit of a price, last batch I've seen from a UK seller were selling for near $5.00/piece Canadian.
The really common ones are the Italian made Mk. IIIs (if I remember the Mk. correctly) marked GMI. They're parkerized with a lovely sandpaper texture and the clip ends are too tight - so stripping off rounds is a nightmare without a lot of sanding and careful adjustment. But, they're cheap, so... The Limey made ones can command a bit of a price, last batch I've seen from a UK seller were selling for near $5.00/piece Canadian.
Machinegun feeding & extracting probably being the biggest reason behind the move to rimless cartridges ...
