P17 Canuck Issue
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Bittermansbro
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How's the bore?
Bittermansbro
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Then thumbs up pal, good deal! 
Sounds like a good deal!
And just because I do hail myself as the grammer police:
It's M1917 ('cause it was originally a U.S. issue item).
The .303 version is a P1914, as it was Commonwealth issue.
No offence intended! Enjoy what sounds like a great rifle!
Cheers,
Neal
And just because I do hail myself as the grammer police:
It's M1917 ('cause it was originally a U.S. issue item).
The .303 version is a P1914, as it was Commonwealth issue.
No offence intended! Enjoy what sounds like a great rifle!
Cheers,
Neal
Bittermansbro
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Actually, as Canadians, we referred to them as the Pattern of 1914 (P14) or in this case Pattern of 1917 (P17). US Rifle Model of 1917 (M1917) is US nomenclature. Although to be perfectly realistic, I am sure most everyone applied their own name to things no matter what the official name was.
Anyhow, we know what you're talking about.
Anyhow, we know what you're talking about.
Wasn't the official nom for the P14 the No.3Mk1?
I still haven't seen anything that suggests our military called the M1917 a "P17" when they given to us after WWII. I really hope they were not that stupid to call a rifle a different name then it was called for almost 30 years, which also happens to be stamped right on it........
I still haven't seen anything that suggests our military called the M1917 a "P17" when they given to us after WWII. I really hope they were not that stupid to call a rifle a different name then it was called for almost 30 years, which also happens to be stamped right on it........
Oops - Spelling! Ah - I blame the beer!
And yes, the P1914 did become known as the rifle No.3, at the same time that the SMLE became known as the No.1, the .22s as No.2 rifles, and the No.4s hit the planning stage... I'm thinking that was in the late 20's or early 30's, but I don't have the exact date in my slightly addled mind.
Gettin' old, I guess!
Neal
And yes, the P1914 did become known as the rifle No.3, at the same time that the SMLE became known as the No.1, the .22s as No.2 rifles, and the No.4s hit the planning stage... I'm thinking that was in the late 20's or early 30's, but I don't have the exact date in my slightly addled mind.
Gettin' old, I guess!
Neal
Bittermansbro
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Hitzy said:
Oh, i'm sure they were that stupid. Look at us 90 years later, still arguing about it like anyone *really* knows or can verify.
We really haven't come very far. My point is, call it what you will, but let's not hack the guy who calls it something else.
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granite said:Guys,
Just picked up a P17 Eddystone 30-06 with C/\ mark, hard to read as it is real deeply struck, red band with blue 30-06 letters on the front. All E marked parts. No C/\ on the receiver. I would say 60% finish, no bubba'ing. I don't have pics, just wondering if the $125 was worth it!
Is the proper sling web or leather?
I think the red band with 30-06 markings indicate that it was issued to Home Guard in GB. Apparently they were trying to make sure someone didn't try to force feed it .303 Ammo. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Red band also on Browning MG's and ammo boxes for same. I believe they also did that for Lewis guns as the U.S. sent over a batch of aircraft guns that had been in storage. A skeleton stock was fitted. Oddly enough they found that the gun worked just as well without the barrel jacket and aluminum radiator. So possibly the folks who used them in WW1 were carrying about a lot of extra unneeded weight
As to P-'17, we have been calling it that since the time of the Great War.
No 3 designation came in in the 1920s.
Great War designation was the Pattern 1914 rifle, shortened as P-'14, for the .303 version....... so it was only natural to use a smiliar designation (even if incorrect) to identify its sister rifle.
US designation was US Rifle, Calibre .30, Model of 1917, but what do the Americans know, anyway? We in Canada have been calling it the P-'17 since it came out. We are wrong, of course, but we know what we are talking about..... more or less! ;-)
I do hope you got a good one and have a lot of fun with it.
Lots of these were Canadian issue, especially in the earlier part of WWII. The RCAF had a bunch and marked them "RCAF" on the left-hand receiver rail with electric pencil; would love to get my hands on one.
No 3 designation came in in the 1920s.
Great War designation was the Pattern 1914 rifle, shortened as P-'14, for the .303 version....... so it was only natural to use a smiliar designation (even if incorrect) to identify its sister rifle.
US designation was US Rifle, Calibre .30, Model of 1917, but what do the Americans know, anyway? We in Canada have been calling it the P-'17 since it came out. We are wrong, of course, but we know what we are talking about..... more or less! ;-)
I do hope you got a good one and have a lot of fun with it.
Lots of these were Canadian issue, especially in the earlier part of WWII. The RCAF had a bunch and marked them "RCAF" on the left-hand receiver rail with electric pencil; would love to get my hands on one.
Model 1917 U.S. Rifle Serial
(Mfg by Remington in July 1918)
"C" Broad Arrow Canadian Military Acceptance Mark.
Rifle # 73355, assigned to the "RCAF" (Royal Canadian Air Force)
(Click PIC toEnlarge)
Regards,
Badger
(Mfg by Remington in July 1918)
"C" Broad Arrow Canadian Military Acceptance Mark.
Rifle # 73355, assigned to the "RCAF" (Royal Canadian Air Force)
(Click PIC toEnlarge)
Regards,
Badger
Canadian M17
I also have a Canadian marked US Enfield. It has the red band painted around the stock near the bayonet lug, and C/\s on the reciever and butt (if anyone can supply more info about the butt markings I would be glad to get it)
Here is a photo from the pamphlet "John Britain" that was distributed during WWII by an insurance company to describe the conditions of the UK during the war. The fellow sitting at the table in the centre of the picture is part of the British Home Gaurd and has a US Enfield with the painted band close to the middle barrel band.
And to go along with the Canadian issued rifle, here is an original box of Canadian made ammo with a picture of the cartridge and headstamp. Notice the matching red band on the ammo box!
I must say I was a very happy camper when I picked up this full box of ammo
I also have a Canadian marked US Enfield. It has the red band painted around the stock near the bayonet lug, and C/\s on the reciever and butt (if anyone can supply more info about the butt markings I would be glad to get it)
Here is a photo from the pamphlet "John Britain" that was distributed during WWII by an insurance company to describe the conditions of the UK during the war. The fellow sitting at the table in the centre of the picture is part of the British Home Gaurd and has a US Enfield with the painted band close to the middle barrel band.
And to go along with the Canadian issued rifle, here is an original box of Canadian made ammo with a picture of the cartridge and headstamp. Notice the matching red band on the ammo box!
I must say I was a very happy camper when I picked up this full box of ammo
