p17? p14?how to tell difference obvious signs?

Q

qd-ziggy

Regular
Rating - 100%
12   0   0
Location
sasktchewan
I have a milsup that i am not sure which it is .I'm not to computer savy to post pictures .....Sorry in advance.s
on the receiver there is a "crown" with a "G.R."under it with what looks like "crossed flags on poles"under that is a "P"
next stamp is a "17"
next stamp is a "crown "with a "34" under that with a "A"with a "large arrow shape" beside it to the right .
next stamp is "crown"with "34"under it with a "C" under that
on top of the receiver there is a "RE"inside a large circle.under it with a vertical line crossed with two other lines about 1/2 in. under it .

the rifle has a blind mag
rear peep sight that flips up tohave another peep that has #s from2 to 16
it is missing the stock disk.
full wood missing front band(i think it was on way to bubba vill but was saved )
any pictures of yours would be appreciated too!
any info would be greatly apreciated
Thanks to all for looking
 
Made by Remington Eddystone.
With the Brit. marks it is a P14.
If it were a US M1917, it would say so.
And a P14 will be .303, a M1917 will be .30-06.
If you need the nosecap, I likely have one.
 
Depends on how you define collectible. Not nearly as common as some other surplus rifles, lots go sported. Condition is everything as always. Nice ones go for around $400 & up. 30 second expedition on Google found lots of good pics. Post yours when you get back to your computer =)
 
tiriaq said:
Made by Remington Eddystone.
With the Brit. marks it is a P14.
If it were a US M1917, it would say so.
And a P14 will be .303, a M1917 will be .30-06.
If you need the nosecap, I likely have one.
Click to expand...

If it was made by Eddystone it would have ERA stamped above the serial # on the right side of the reciever ring. RE in a circle on the top of the reciever ring is Remington. Winchester is a W in front of the serial #.

Yes Eddystone was another arsenal owned by Remington but the P14s and M1917s where stamped different.

I could use a nose-cap as well, and any other P14/M1917 parts.
 
.. The British one's, apart from being in .303, generally have vestiges of the Volley Sights, on the left side of the Fore-end. A number have, mine included, the American wood on them, and no Volley Sight . The fitting seem a little loser around the Tang with the American wood, but it could just be something on the few I've seen. ... David K
 
.. Interesting question ! I'd be interested in the answer myself! ..... Most of the ones I've seen, have been ERA marked, which was Remington owned, but a different Plant ( Arsenal )..... David K
 
David K said:
.. Interesting question ! I'd be interested in the answer myself! ..... Most of the ones I've seen, have been ERA marked, which was Remington owned, but a different Plant ( Arsenal )..... David K
Click to expand...

The information I have is : The Pattern 14, ( P 14 ) is Remington 432,320, marked (RA) and 450,000 Eddystone , owned by Remington, marked ( ERA ), and Winchester 235,530 marked ( W ) . Total Production 1,117,850 P14 Rifles.

Model of 1917 Rifle, Remington 545,550 , Eddystone , owned by Remington, 1,181,910 , and Winchester 465,980. Between 1917 and 1919 Remington and Winchester produced over Two Million, Model 1917 rifles. All and All , " Both " One Hell of a Good Rifle !! -------- Hope this Helps.
 
Interesting to Speculate

.. Thanks "BWEST" ! .... It's interesting to speculate that if the P14/P17 had been "Tweaked" just a bit, if the basic design ( Modified M98 ) could have rendered the Springfield and perhaps even the SMLE "Family" unnecessary. Shorter overall length, larger magazine capacity, being but two areas that come to mind. ...... David K
 
.. Quite Probably, "Gibbs 505", but also bear in mind that between War's, the US was isolationist, and downsized their Army and all Military Services, with actual "Lay-offs" among the Regular Forces even. Consequently, that caught them short when WW2 broke out, and certainly played a part, in their delayed entry, into the European Theater. ( Pearl Harbor was a wake up call, with a lot of Americans wishing only to engage in the Pacific against Japan. ) ... Still, the Springfield 1903, certainly a fine Rifle on it's own merits, is based largely on the Mauser 98, as are the P14/P17 designs. Politics and perhaps manufacturing costs would be my guess as to why the P14/P17 wasn't chosen and developed further to meet the needs of an Army of 1930s. .... The British were also caught short, and forced by the desperate need to Re-arm, thus using the Rifles and designs of the WW1 era ( plus huge stockpiles of Ammunition ) was the Death Blow for the development of of the "new" 260 round. Seems a shame, as the basic design is immensely strong, and presumably with the experience of building millions, Manufacturing Costs could have been trimmed, and the Rifle's handling characteristics improved and updated...... David K
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom