PAH Free Clay pigeons
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Beretta687EELL
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What does PAH stand for?
Beretta687EELL
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As far as I know ... White Flyer makes a new target that they imply has little or no pitch. Contact Hummason MFG in Ancaster, Ontario 905-648-3430 or hummasonmfg@silomail.com They are a White Flyer distributor.
Beretta687EELL
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They were introduced in February, so I would expect them to be available by now. Try this on Monday and see what they say ... To learn more about our new “ECO FLYER”™ target please call us at 713-626-1843.
The existing White Flyer targets change the PH and kills insects and grass. The only gov certified bio targets in N.A. are by our Canadian manufacturer, Lawry. It is certified by Agriculture and Environment Canada. There are several Euro manufactures that are phosphate free and tar free.
Beretta687EELL
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Lawry targets have pitch in them ...
I think they were "announced" at the 2016 Shot Show in Jan. They are not available in Western Canada yet. Our distributor advises they are first going thru extensive tests at selected clubs in the USA first and don't expect them to be available here until 2017. As a point of interest, he also advises they will not be used at the NSCA Nationals in San Antonio this year until White Flyer is satisfied with the product.
If they make one that will kill mosquitoes and dandelions, I'm in!
the spank
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But he is absolutely correct Bill. I had to submit toxicity reports and have soil samples taken and tested when we closed down the North Bay Trap & Skeet Club. Lawry will furnish you with toxicity reports on their targets and as mentioned above they do not cause significant issues with vegetation, soil contamination and insects or even invertebrates laying extended periods in water from the reports I have read and judging by the horrendous clouds of black flies and mosquitoes we shot in I believe it!!
Maybe we should have switched to White Flyer although the Lloyd club uses them and from what I can tell they are not affecting the mosquito population negatively!
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Beretta687EELL
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But he is absolutely correct Bill. I had to submit toxicity reports and have soil samples taken and tested when we closed down the North Bay Trap & Skeet Club. Lawry will furnish you with toxicity reports on their targets and as mentioned above they do not cause significant issues with vegetation, soil contamination and insects or even invertebrates laying extended periods in water from the reports I have read and judging by the horrendous clouds of black flies and mosquitoes we shot in I believe it!!
They still use pitch, Frank, I know a guy that works in the plant in the Hamilton area where they purchase the pitch. They sell pitch to Lawry's and White Flyer. The original poster asked for targets with no oil in them. We shot some of the older Bio White Flyers at our club for about 1 year, because we couldn't get any of the regular WF targets. There was no problem with the grass or the machinery, but we only shot them for part of the year.
Both companies buy pitch for the regular targets. WF uses phosphate and Lawry something else but is certified by AC. Minnesota H & H has part of the swamp divested to grey dead vegetation. I have seen several ranges in New England using WF "bio" that had all vegetation disappear. There is an Estonian company that is EC certified. Laporte bio are soft and unbreakable. There is also Euro Target out of Italy that was used at the World FITASC this year that broke nicely and did not seem to kill the vegetation at the club. I was looking at the existing Compak and practice ranges. BTW, you missed one of the best World FITASC ever! Target wise and food!
Has anyone actually seen any of the testing data regarding the "eco-friendlyness" of clays, regardless of make?
*Totally anecdotal, so easy* I have shot at clubs that have used the bio-clays (not sure of exact brand), and have had target setters, on several occasions, make the comments that beyond the clays being harder, they have seen the opposite effect of what would be expected. In the areas where normal clays landed, all the vegetation was growing just fine, where as in the areas the bio-clays land, you see a similar effect to spruce trees, i.e. dead everything. Now, this may be due to the existing soil conditions; I have only seen/heard those reports in desert areas (i.e. Montana and Arizona), but it's still curious.
*Totally anecdotal, so easy* I have shot at clubs that have used the bio-clays (not sure of exact brand), and have had target setters, on several occasions, make the comments that beyond the clays being harder, they have seen the opposite effect of what would be expected. In the areas where normal clays landed, all the vegetation was growing just fine, where as in the areas the bio-clays land, you see a similar effect to spruce trees, i.e. dead everything. Now, this may be due to the existing soil conditions; I have only seen/heard those reports in desert areas (i.e. Montana and Arizona), but it's still curious.
i've got white flyer biodegradable clays landing in my hay field/pasture, and no visual signs of disturbance yet.
i've been throwing them over a low embankment onto the field for 11 or 12 years, we collect the unbroken ones, but the breakdown of the broken ones is slow, if at all. the first few years we threw regular clays, and have used caldwell, lowerys, and have also tried the ones out of CT, but most have been white flyer.
i've been throwing them over a low embankment onto the field for 11 or 12 years, we collect the unbroken ones, but the breakdown of the broken ones is slow, if at all. the first few years we threw regular clays, and have used caldwell, lowerys, and have also tried the ones out of CT, but most have been white flyer.
