Paint problems...

Crash5291

Crash5291

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Hey,

painting a wooden stock, as i didn't care for the look of the wood

i striped it down then sanded it down nice and smoth with 120 leaving it at that for the primer to bite

primed it twice, the second time it was drying it got knocked down the stairs and took a beating so i cleaned it up and used spot putty to resmooth it then gave it another 2 coats of primer it was nice and smooth looked good aside from being flat grey, sprayed 2 coats of paint and now im where i am now

the primer was nice and hard set well, but the top coats of paint arn't even after setting for 5 days they are not hard

well yes thay are set, all dry no tacky ect, but tey have no scratch resistance at all just a light rub acrost the paint with a finger nail will take it off

Primer and paint are of the same brand ment to go hand in hand from CT's auto section

i have yet to put on a top coat, i can touch up the scratch marks easly but its making me wonder just how tough this finish is going to be

or am i going to be striping the stock back down to square one and leaving it wood.


oh the gun is my Mossberg 151K, and the final color is Metalic charcole grey (or if your a ford fan its alnost exactly 9W from 85')

Any help would be great
Joe
 
A guess here.. one of two things I can think of.
One.... maybe the paint and primer aren't compatible. Just because they came from Crappy Tire doesn't mean anything. One may be latex the other oil based or vice versa.
Secondly...why in he.ll did you buy paint at Crappy Tire for a gun????
Another thought is ...if the paint was frozen...so much for it.

Nothing that a bath of Circa 1867 won't fix.

Cheers
 
well a couple of things...make sure you are painting it in area that is warm..otherwise it wont cure... the other possibility is you have a bad batch of paint which is missing its "hardener" component...

did you put it on thick? sometimes to thick and to cold...bad cure....

YOur 100% sure its not something you have to mix with a solvent componenet and spray?
 
There are alot of finishes claiming they are good, but are garbage. Any of the cheap stuff like krylon and the canadian tire special paints will all come off with a thumbnail. If you are painting an ornament or the like, those cheap paints work great, but when it comes to firearms and actual use they do not last long at all. If you need help in getting a good results give us a call and we can help you get results that will last.
 
shootist22-250 said:
A guess here.. one of two things I can think of.
One.... maybe the paint and primer aren't compatible. Just because they came from Crappy Tire doesn't mean anything. One may be latex the other oil based or vice versa.
Secondly...why in he.ll did you buy paint at Crappy Tire for a gun????
Another thought is ...if the paint was frozen...so much for it.

Nothing that a bath of Circa 1867 won't fix.

Cheers
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exact products i used:
Motomaster Primer 47-1010-0
Dupli-color auto spray 47-0268-4

now i know it says to use a dupli-color primer but i havn't had this problem in the past using these products

Frozen, not on my watch baicaly straigt off the shelf into my room

ScrewMartin said:
well a couple of things...make sure you are painting it in area that is warm..otherwise it wont cure... the other possibility is you have a bad batch of paint which is missing its "hardener" component...

did you put it on thick? sometimes to thick and to cold...bad cure....

YOur 100% sure its not something you have to mix with a solvent componenet and spray?
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warm check ~21*C

hardner, will check on a scrap but it sprayed, smelt and acted like all the others like it i have used

thick nope, thin if anything

nope no mixing, spray bombs


i'm about ready to toss some tremclad in my sprayer and make it tremclad black :mad:

its sad though since i LOVE the way it looks right now only if it were harder
 
hmmm u didnt metion that u sanded the primer before applying the color?
and what kind of enamels were they?or is one a laquerand the other not.
and did u wash the gun with a final wash , before paintin it .
most times metalics require a clear coat to hold them together.
 
yes light sanding on primer before paint was applied IIRC it was done with 400 grit and done wet.

enamels im not sure i would have to look at the cans (not currently at home)

yes fully cleaned after final sanding, air dryed, light tack, then paint

i have the clear but didnt put it on as i was un happy with the paint and didnt want to be out a can of clear aswell
 
I use the no name Cdn. Tire grey primer from the automotive dept with Krylon Camo system spray paint, Testors Military Model paint, and Excel Colorvision Matte clearcoat.

Never had a complaint about the finish durabilty.

Keep in mind all coatings/paint will scratch if used/abused enough.

SKBY.
 
ok maybe i will touch up the scratches i made and clear coat it and see what happens.

took it to a buddys on sunday, he thought it looked "sweet" and 2 of our friends that droped by thought that the gun was wicked in general lol
just went looking i didn't realize i have no pictures of this gun :eek:

Joe
 
I would try the clear coat. The gloss on the finish will make a difference if your go with a flat or semi-gloss it will be harder to see the scraches. You will not be able to get a tough finish with spray bomb stuff. If you have the equipment. spray it base coat / clear coat an automotive finish, even an acrylic enamel (colour, hardner, reducer) would give a much more durable finish.

Primimg is very important too. Spray bomb primer works ok? (not if your using base/clear) but sanding like you did is important. No need to wet sand though, high build primers can absorb water, which is a problem over metal, nevermind something like a wooden stock which will also soak up water.

Standox makes an amazing clear coat for aluminum rims, extreme durablity!

a flattening agent can also be added to these products go give any finish you would like.

Nic
 
remeber also spray bomb paints need time to cure properly
drying means the solvent used to get the paint from the can to ur work peice has come out. curing means the paint has gone threw a chemical reaction to harden,
proffesional use hardeners in there paint to help it cure faster(not dry)
acrylic enamels use oxygen to help them cure if no hardener is used ive heard
but apon clearing it u should see quite a diffrence hope it goes weell:)
 
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