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Just got the notification that my application is now in progress! (All references completed.)


I've been window shopping a bit over the last few weeks, shot a few rentals at a range, and am now trying to get an idea of what I actually want to own.


I'd be grateful to hear recommendations / pros and cons from you guys.



Use Cases​


Target Shooting​


  • I'd love a semi-auto center fire like the Makasi, Carmel, or Backland Hunter Comp, but am wary of the QC issues I see popping up with early production units. How does something like a warranty claim/repair usually work? There's of course also the risk of future prohibition, so maybe something like the MRA renegade Mk2?
  • Mechanically, I think it would be interesting for longer than a .22 plinker, given that in my province we're only allowed paper targets as well.

Skeet Shooting / Duck Hunting​


  • I've been skeet shooting once and did quite enjoy the more dynamic nature of it, so a shotgun is in my future for sure.
  • Ideally, something that could do both skeet and duck hunting, though I do see it frequently mentioned that semi-auto shotguns struggle with low-vel target loads used for skeet shooting—does anyone have any recommendations here?
  • I tried out a Winchester SX4, but the clerk was quite clear that it would be unreliable for skeet and recommended a dedicated pump or over-under for that.

Large Game Hunting​


  • A bolt action in .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor is what universally seems to be recommended here.
  • A clerk told me to save on the gun and buy more optics—it seems like even comparatively affordable rifles like the Stevens 334 or a Savage Axis (which comes with a scope?) would do the trick here.


Equipment​


So far I've got:


  • A pair of Razor Slim Electronic Muffs
  • A pair of ballistic glasses

What I think I'd still need now:

  • Rifle bag(s) and trigger lock(s)
  • Ammunition storage and lock

What I might need down the line:

  • Gloves (for the winter?) - I see people use Mechanix?
  • A shooting mat (longer range outdoor shooting?)
 
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I would avoid buying either of the two semi auto rifles listed, especially for a new firearms owner. I would say a MRA Renegade MK2 is a much better option and can highly recommend getting one, another good option would be a CZ 600 Trail in .223 if you’re interested in a tactical bolt-action.

I wouldn’t dismiss getting a .22lr plinker, it’s good for everyone to have one to practice fundamentals and build muscle memory for without spending too much on ammo. I would recommend something cheaper like a Savage MKII or Ruger American Rimfire if you’re not sure if you want a .22lr.

Shotguns are usually where many new gun owners make big mistakes. First rule is DON’T BUY TURKISH SHOTGUNS.

With that said the Winchester SX4 isn’t the best shotgun around. Since you’re doing skeet, a semi-auto shotgun would be best as decent over-under shotguns aren’t cheap. The best budget semi-auto shotguns would be the Beretta A300 and Franchi Affinity 3.

While not ideal for skeet, a pump-action might be a good option if you want to spend much less. Best pump-action shotguns are the Mossberg Maverick 88, Mossberg 500/590, Remington 870 (not the express models, those are junk), and the Benelli Nova/Supernova.

The advice you were given about spending less on a rifle is partially correct, while it’s good to have good optics, buying the cheapest rifle is just as bad as buying a cheap scope. I would avoid the Stevens 334 and Savage Axis and instead buy something that is higher quality, either a Ruger American Gen2, Savage 110, Howa 1500, CZ 600, or Tikka T3X. Also avoid buying any rifle + scopes combos as the scope included is usually of lower quality and is rarely mounted properly. I would recommend buying one of the rifles I mentioned and getting a mid-range Vortex or Leupold scope, they’re good for the price and both have an excellent warranty and resale value.

I see that you didn’t mention getting a gun safe or cabinet, if you are planning to store your firearms in bags with a trigger lock on them it’s not a good idea as bags can cause rust if used for long term storage. For your case I would get one of the many 8 gun cabinets that most stores sell, they’re usually around $200 and can be found much cheaper if you buy used or on sale. You don’t need to lock up your ammo if the firearms are already locked, I would buy a couple ammo cans or boxes and keep them in a dry spot.

In addition to ear muffs and safety glasses, I recommend using ear plugs under the ear muffs for better protection.

For starting out I wouldn’t worry too much about what kind of gloves to use or getting a shooting mat.

Lastly don’t forget your cleaning supplies, I would get a universal cleaning kit as they will usually cover most common calibers, some kind of CLP (clean/lube) like G96, and bag of cleaning patches for whatever calibers you decide to get.
 
What is your budget for the target shooting rifle? Take a look at T3x Ace Target.

I would wait with semi-auto till you will get some initial shooting skills / habits.

For ear protection take a look at Peltor 500.

Get good protective glasses ( Magpul is my favorite)

Gloves depending on the season - check Mechanics or Magpul patrol.

Shooting mat - get basic yoga mat from the Amazon.

You also probably need lockable ammo box.

Home setup to store your toys.
Cleaning supplies, Range bag, Range tool.

In short get ready to do some damage to your bank account 😁
 
Thanks guys!
The more I read about the semi autos, the more I'm thinking that waiting is a better Idea. I've shot the MRA Renegade MK2 before and found it was fun. I'll try to get another rental and see if I could maybe also try the Maverick in .308!

I'll take a look at both the CZ600 Trail and the T3X Ace Target - budget wise I'm okay around 2k out the door for the right gun. I'm hoping to spread the damage out over time :LOL: (Looks like Dante's has some good deals on upper entry level scopes right now).

I'm wondering if it's worth considering something like The CZ600 or the MRA Maverick for hunting? People seem to mostly use them for target practice? I guess the weight and reliability compared to a bolt action are the main drawbacks?

As for storage - yes a Safe is a must by for me /my partner, thank you for the reminder! Same on the cleaning supplies, I saw there are a few kits around online that seem to be a good starting point, I'll add that to the list :)
Shotguns are usually where many new gun owners make big mistakes. First rule is DON’T BUY TURKISH SHOTGUNS.

With that said the Winchester SX4 isn’t the best shotgun around. Since you’re doing skeet, a semi-auto shotgun would be best as decent over-under shotguns aren’t cheap. The best budget semi-auto shotguns would be the Beretta A300 and Franchi Affinity 3.

While not ideal for skeet, a pump-action might be a good option if you want to spend much less. Best pump-action shotguns are the Mossberg Maverick 88, Mossberg 500/590, Remington 870 (not the express models, those are junk), and the Benelli Nova/Supernova.
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On the turkish clones - that's something I've read many times, seems like you get what you pay for. And yeah, the price on the Over Unders surprised me. As for Pumps -that's actually what I was given at the Skeet club for the training session, so I'm not against a pump action.

As for price - looks like a solid semi would also be in the 1200-1500 cad range?

Gloves and shooting mats are minor considerations right now, though I thought it's probably worth handling a rifle with gloves that I'd want to take out in the winter/ fall.
 
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munasef said:
Just got the notification that my application is now in progress! (All references completed.)


I've been window shopping a bit over the last few weeks, shot a few rentals at a range, and am now trying to get an idea of what I actually want to own.


I'd be grateful to hear recommendations / pros and cons from you guys.



Use Cases​


Target Shooting​


  • I'd love a semi-auto center fire like the Makasi, Carmel, or Backland Hunter Comp, but am wary of the QC issues I see popping up with early production units. How does something like a warranty claim/repair usually work? There's of course also the risk of future prohibition, so maybe something like the MRA renegade Mk2?
  • Mechanically, I think it would be interesting for longer than a .22 plinker, given that in my province we're only allowed paper targets as well.

Skeet Shooting / Duck Hunting​


  • I've been skeet shooting once and did quite enjoy the more dynamic nature of it, so a shotgun is in my future for sure.
  • Ideally, something that could do both skeet and duck hunting, though I do see it frequently mentioned that semi-auto shotguns struggle with low-vel target loads used for skeet shooting—does anyone have any recommendations here?
  • I tried out a Winchester SX4, but the clerk was quite clear that it would be unreliable for skeet and recommended a dedicated pump or over-under for that.

Large Game Hunting​


  • A bolt action in .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor is what universally seems to be recommended here.
  • A clerk told me to save on the gun and buy more optics—it seems like even comparatively affordable rifles like the Stevens 334 or a Savage Axis (which comes with a scope?) would do the trick here.


Equipment​


So far I've got:


  • A pair of Razor Slim Electronic Muffs
  • A pair of ballistic glasses

What I think I'd still need now:

  • Rifle bag(s) and trigger lock(s)
  • Ammunition storage and lock

What I might need down the line:

  • Gloves (for the winter?) - I see people use Mechanix?
  • A shooting mat (longer range outdoor shooting?)
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I heard makasi QC issues but I doubt any with Carmel. made by IWI after all
 
Get also good 3M soft ear plugs. I was in my 20s when my hearing started to go. I found electronic not all the best. So good to double up.

Shooting mat i just use a yoga mat and a moving blanket. As can be used for other stuff and not just for the range.

Youll find out in shooting. Youll see people use just not gun gear. Like my range bag is a rubber mate tote, many use tool boxes or bags.

build yourself a tool kit. For sight adjusting, tightening screws, repairs etc.
 
One of my first rifles when I got my license was a Norinco M305. No reason other than budget constraints not to buy a semi.
 
I might be going against the grain here, but, here is my recommendation to a new gun owner.

If you want a semi-auto, get something like a TM-22. Bolt action, get a CZ-457 and shoot the absolute crap outta them. Get used to proper gun handling techniques, aiming, trigger pull, all that stuff. Shooting a .22 makes all this easy.

once you are super comfortable there, move up to a 6.5 creedmoor or .308 and repeat the process.

Those 2 rifles will cover most of your shooting experiences. Then if you decide you want to do something more, you can make better and more informed decisions without wasting too much money.
 
general recommendation - pick firearms that have the terminal ballistics you need, that have the least recoil and are the cheapest to shoot.

I also suggest that every gun owner consider having a shotgun, a good scoped rifle and a good 22 rifle.

you may fall into the category of I don't care about bans - then buy what you want, or you do care about the potential bans - then don't buy something that would "appear" to get banned sooner than others.

22's - you need to decide between bolt, lever or semi auto. Bolt is usually a wee bit more accurate, slower to shoot and more deliberate - can shoot shorts, longs, long rifle, subsonics. lever can be fun, can also shoot many shorts, longs, long rifles and subsonic depending on brand. Semi auto's - can be a lot of fun. You are usually relegated to using 22lr standard velocity or faster - occasionally semi-auto quiets. price doesn't always get you the best - in either direction - ie more expensive = better.

semi - ruger 10/22, winchester wildcat, savage a22, derya and clones - avoid savage 64's - you may get one that runs like a sewing machine or one that is a piece of crap - and you flip the coin on which one it is.

bolt - savage B series, savage MkII, tikka t1x, cz457, winchester exprt, ruger american rimfire, ruger target

lever - henry - most models, savage revel, browning BL22. do some research on the new turkish ones - I haven't looked into them - ie morrison, derya levers that are mag fed

shotguns

decide on semi vs pump

pump - benelli nova, supernova, winchester SXP, stoeger P series, mossberg 500's. cheaper - mossberg maverick 88, churchill, stevens.

semi - benelli M4, benelli SBE, winchester SX-4, beretta 1301, cheaper - girsan MC312, JTS, charles daly

rifles - decide on caliber. hunting and target shooting will vary by province for large game and caliber - ie Ont - OK to use 223 on deer, NS - not OK to use 223 on deer.

223- cheapest ammo in the centerfire category. if hunting and limited by caliber - 243 win, 7-08, 6.5 creed, 308, 30-06, 270win. yes you can look at 6.5PRC, 6.8 western, 25 creedmore, 6GT, 6ARC - just look at the ammo prices and availability and qty on shelves before going down the "neat but rare" category.

KEEP YOUR BRASS - for centerfire rifle. it's worth money if you don't reload, and if you have 200-500 pieces of brass, that may be the impetus to get into reloading - instead of buying a new gun. At a minimum, you can sell your empty cases.

bolt - savage axis XP - meh, savage axis 2 - better, savage 110, tikka, ruger american gen 2, CVA, howa, weatherby, winchester, benelli and browning.

scopes - leupold, vortex, burris, - not a fan of bushnell of today - they put a 30 year life on a scope. if money is no object - sky is the limit - swarovski, khales, nightforce, tangent theta, ZCO

equipment
- lead wipes, eye protection, ear protection - electronic is better -USE THEM WHEN HUNTING!
- gloves - not so critical - unless cold.
- rain gear
- range bag
- gun cases - hard or soft or both.
- stapler (not a desk type)
- TRAUMA KIT - sign of for a course that teaches gun shot trauma. TQ/trauma bandages/clotting agent/chest seal/packing bandage. accidents happen, not very often, but when they do, oof

storage - some look at cabinets (metal), some look at safes. if you own your home - and you can dedicate a room, build a "hardened" room. make the room your safe. YMMV

Ammo - the number of times I have come across hunters who need a box of bullets because they are down to the last two rounds, then need nitro because of the chest pains they get when they see the price of box - makes me laugh. 2026 ammo pricing will most likely be cheaper than 2036 ammo. Many shooters on this forum have 1000's of rounds depending on caliber for EACH gun. everytime you see a special - buy it - 1 or 20 boxes. I suggest one keep their stable of guns small and their hay storage of ammo - large. I personally don't find it a flex to say you have the same gun in 5 different calibers - tell me you have 1 with 2000 rds, that's smarter IMNSHO. store ammo in ammo cans that are metal - the plastic ones are not weather tight.

Last thing - go to a gun store - put gun in hand, do comparisons on feel. look through optics - see what's clear and then what's REALLY clear.

ETA

while you are waiting, you can start your education on guns. this is a good start - consider listening or even watching on youtube - they use some visual aids. Good info in there - Hornady Podcast - episodes

Should you clean your barrel
103 part 1
114 part 2
160 part 3
167 part 4

157 cleaning for the average hunter

Internal, external and terminal ballistics
28 internal ballistics
29 external ballistics part 1
31 external ballistics part 2
34 bullet drag and ballistic coefficient
191 the coriollis effect
198 zero wander
233 truth about accuracy
99 let’s talk about mean radius
245 where does the wind matter most



anyways, that's my .02

Boltgun
 
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Thanks for all the suggestions so far guys - I've got my PAL in hand for a bit and went to annoy all my gun shops in the area.
Honestly, tough call to buy the first rifle.

I got a very nice looking Arken optics EPL4 6-24 in MIL, because ultimately I do want to go more into target shooting. The range I'm going to has a 300mrange and next year there's another initiation day to shoot at Valcartier (600m).

What i had/have my heart half set on was the Tikka T3 Ace Target in 6.5 Creedmore (very nice action, can now be upgraded with an AICS magwell to not pay 200 bucks for a magazine from Tikka). An alternative was a CZ600MDT or RPR Gen3

But ultimately : I think its too much gun for me right now. The more I read, the more the consensus seems to be : Buy A .22LR (as many suggested here already) and learn to shoot. I really don't want to develop the flinch while shooting 6.5 CRE at 1.5 -2 + bucks a pop.



The question now is : do I spend the money on a nicer 22LR platform like Tikka T1x MTR,a CZ-457 or similar, and add a rail, bipod and put my scope on for the next few months to shoot at 100m, or Should I look at other lower magnification scopes as well?
 
Did a tikka t1x in xrs chassis 5/25/56 scope and tac -22 ammo haven’t looked back it’s a tac’ driver ,love the tikka quality buddy has a cz457 similar setup. They are very close but won’t buy a CZ
 
My first shotgun for clay pigeon stuff was a Stoeger M3000. I still have it. Not getting rid of it anytime soon either. Had to break it in a little bit, but that's easy with just a single box of buckshot or slugs.
That's my shotgun recommendation.
 
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