PAL question about the practical test

So I finally talked to a test giver, and he told me that although I can challenge the PAL, he does not like people who don't have much experience with the RPAL. He says that next Thursday I can challenge the PAL, and then the Thursday after he is offering a course for the RPAL which he might have room for before taking the RPAL test.
So looks like I'm taking a course after all so win-win? As long as I pass the PAL of course.
Very excited however.
 
kolkim said:
So my question is, how do I know that the rim-fire I grab is a .22 or not? Aren't there more than 1 calibre of rim-fire?
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.22 is the most common calibre of rim fire. When I took my course the instructor just asked me to pick up the rimfire, and didn't tell me the calibre. When I took the course they has samples off all the ammunition in the classroom and it was labeled. They had all the "course guns" on a table and encouraged us to play with all of them during the lunch break and to ask any questions we had. We practiced loading and unloading the dummy ammo in each and ding ACTS/PROVE on each one as these would be the guns that would be used in the practical exam. It was worthwhile to become familiar with the guns before the exam.

For your exam it should be acceptable to tell the instructor what you're doing as you're doing it. For example, if you're asked to load the gun do that; but if you don't where the safety is, tell the instructor that the next step is put the safety on, but you don't know where it is on the that particular gun.
 
kolkim said:
It's about shotgun shell sizes. I read that the size indicated on the shell is After Fire? So if I was looking at a shotgun shell and I had a ruler, measuring it before shot would give me a wrong measurement?
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In the exam you won't have a ruler. For my exam the instructor asked me to show him a 2 3/4" 12 ga shell, and the shell had 2 3/4" marked on the side. If you can read, you'll be fine :) There was also a slug, so you need to know the difference between a slug and shot. Also know sizes of shot.
 
Catman Do said:
303 British does too, but it's not rimfire, so the OP can't just go by the presence or absence of a rim to know if the round is rimfire or not.
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100% correct ... I was not saying that just having a rim made it rim fire, simply pointing out that having one is part of the criteria for determining if it is or not.
 
woobie said:
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For non restricted they had 5 types. A lever ,bolt action, and semiautomatic rifles, a pump and a break open shotgun. We had to PROVE 3 of the above of the instructors choice, then do a scenario. You hunting you come to a fence what do you do?

For the restricted they had a single and a double action revolver and a single action semi auto pistol. You PROVE all three then they did a few scenario's.

Your on the range shooting your DA revolver, a cease fire is called what do you do?
You finish shooting at the range and need to pack up for the day, what do you need to do to legally transport your restricted firearm home?
You get home how do you need to store your restricted firearm?
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Wow, an examiner doing the tests correctly! If you don't handle 3 guns in each of the practical tests, the examiner is skipping part of the test. Either some of the people posting here are forgetting parts of their tests or their examiners weren't correctly administering the tests. The tests are supposed to be exactly the same across the country.
 
Trinimon said:
Good point. If you're not sure or the ammo is not properly/clearly marked, don't assume. Tell the examiner you are unsure and can't safely select a matching piece of ammo. If you do try to insert incorrect ammo, you are deducted a point. I forget how many minor blunders you are allowed before a fail. Immediate failures will include pulling the trigger and unsafe muzzle control. You may get a harsh warning for finger in the trigger guard and there probably won't be a second warning.
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2 points are deducted for pointing outside of the safe direction, trying to load incorrect ammo or putting a finger unnecessarily in the trigger guard.
The only way to fail automatically is to point a firearm at a person, other than yourself when doing a visual bore instruction.
You have to get 40/50 points to pass.

There shouldn't be any warnings during the practical test, the examiner should just score what you do and debrief you at the end. They are only supposed to let you know immediately if you get an automatic fail and then give you the option of continuing.
 
kolkim said:
So I finally talked to a test giver, and he told me that although I can challenge the PAL, he does not like people who don't have much experience with the RPAL. He says that next Thursday I can challenge the PAL, and then the Thursday after he is offering a course for the RPAL which he might have room for before taking the RPAL test.
So looks like I'm taking a course after all so win-win? As long as I pass the PAL of course.
Very excited however.
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Whether he likes it or not you have the right to challenge the CRFSC test if you're over 18. In my experience the fail rate on CRFSC challenges is about 5x higher in the practical portion than that in the CFSC test.
 
kolkim said:
The book says "Some ammunition may not have a cartridge name head stamp such as rim-fire cartridges". And to refer to the ammunition box for information.
So my question is, how do I know that the rim-fire I grab is a .22 or not? Aren't there more than 1 calibre of rim-fire?
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He/she shouldn't be asking for a specific rimfire cartridge. Some rimfire dummies have a small hole drilled in them to show that there is no powder in them, while some CF cartridges are made without a primer pocket to show that they are dummies. Rimfire's won't have a cartridge name on the base while all CF dummies should have one in the practical test.
 
Trinimon said:
... The thing is, you need to be familiar with whichever firearms they will be using for the practical exam and that is were familiarity with the guns is important. You can't go into the exam and ask "Oh, where is the safety on the lever action?" or "How do I release the action in this pump action shotgun?" and how the examiner expects you to know the steps to cross a fence etc. You are required to know these firearms like they were your own even if you think you will never buy a lever action, SAA, hinge action etc. etc....
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The Firearms Safety Education Service of Ontario's (FSESo_Org) policy for examiners is that we're only allowed to point out the location of a control when specifically asked where it is during the practical test. Ask anything else about firearms operation or safety procedures and the response should be, "sorry, I cannot tell you that during the test".
 
TPK said:
Legally they can not do this, there MUST be MINIMUM 24 hour period between tests if you fail, you can not re-test that same day. If anyone is doing this they are risking loosing their certification as an examiner and as a student, you risk being retested on everything if the examiner is de-certified due to not following the rules...
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That sounds like a BC policy. In Ontario it is at the discretion of the examiner. It's not a legal issue but a matter of provincial policies.
 
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I passed.
100% and 92%. Didn't know lever action was proved opposite of semi auto (unloading cartridge before remove magazine) and also didn't prove my shotgun after jumping a ditch because I said it didn't leave my direct control but it touched the dirt and there could have been obstructions.
The guy was extremely nice, if anyones on the island go to Terry O'Toole, best instructor ever. He was fair and showed everyone where the safety's and actions were so he checked on mostly our safety with the guns.

Kind of funny he asked if I was a Narc because I touched the little tab on the tube magazine of a pump action to remove the shells and nobody else has done that.

Going to take the restricted course on Mon and test on Tuesday. Hopefully I can get my license before Christmas so my GF might buy me a gun for Christmas :D
Little happy.
 
Thanks trinimon. Btw, looking at your username and picture.. Is Trinimon a Digimon? lol :p
I thought if I followed the how to get your license quickly thread then I could possibly lower the time to a minimum of 21 days or something?
 
kolkim said:
Thanks trinimon. Btw, looking at your username and picture.. Is Trinimon a Digimon? lol :p
I thought if I followed the how to get your license quickly thread then I could possibly lower the time to a minimum of 21 days or something?
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Eh, that used to be more common. Nowadays they've gotten wise to our schemes, and they won't let us bump our application the way they used to. Nevertheless, it doesn't hurt to check on it now and again to make sure there's no mistakes or missing information. It might be worth mentioning that you can buy a gun before you get your license, you just cannot take possession of it without a license. So your GF can still buy you a gun, you'll just have to wait to pick it up.
 
What gun?
Soo many to choose from. Either a savage 110 or Tikka T3 for rifle, a .44 Magnum cause I've always wanted one, and a shotgun. I can tell that I am going to always be broke.
Just wondering.. Is this a more expensive hobby than racing? I might have to choose :/
 
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