I suppose if it is not req by law, some of it may be company policy, KYA stuff or perhaps something that comes from something "they always did" but in reality if you want ammo and want to go shoot, not giving my info is not the hill I will die or even fight a battle on.
PAL required to buy ammo?
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I suppose if it is not req by law, some of it may be company policy, KYA stuff or perhaps something that comes from something "they always did" but in reality if you want ammo and want to go shoot, not giving my info is not the hill I will die or even fight a battle on.
They haven't always done it though...I suspect some will never chose that hill. Me, I'm drawing a line.
Not that I ever seen. They look at my PAL and give it to me to go pay up front. Even CT puts it in a locked bag and I take it up front. They have asked for a PAL to buy ammo since they existed and I lived in Alberta for 51 years before Quebec.
Yes they do in Ontario . it's been going on for a long time . I don't know why . and at my local Canadian tire many years ago I heard someone stole the book with all the ammo purchase's written down in it and several homes got broken into . name address etc. now I think they take the paper to the office. our local gun shops mark down your ammo purchase's . even Lebanon's did that more than 20 years ago. for everything . primers etc. it's play the game or get out of it . private sales they just look at your Pal . if they want to write it down I say get lost. private that is . what are you going to do ? drive to another Province to buy your ammo ?
Do you people have to buy license stickers in Sask or Alberta ? or BC ? car insurance is regulated by the Province of BC so I heard in 82 ?? so no shopping around . don't like it too bad. you get the shaft on some things in every Province. For now we don't have to buy license plate stickers nor that stupid drive clean crap either . drive clean . a license to print money .
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It’s a provincial requirement in Ont to record you info for ammo sales, has been for ages. It’s not the same in all provinces, in some provinces that don’t require it you may find stores that have it as a store policy.
In bc they got rid if the plate sticker last year, you can go get collision and comprehensive ins through a third party but you have to get basic coverage from icbc.
I've shopped in person in BC and AB. Both places just look at your PAL and ensure it isn't expired. This occurs for factory ammo and primers for reloading, but not for any other reload components (powder, bullets, etc don't require a PAL) every time I've shopped
UPDATE!!
I can verify that the Ontario Dealer has "checked" a PAL number and birth date that I had given them.
I purchased a fairly significant amount of centerfire, rifle ammo (1500rds) for range banging. At the time of filling the order, I gave all info aside from birth date and PAL#. As before, I thought the information none of their business.
The company reached out for the info via email, and I asked why they needed the info. No answer.
I then gave them a 6 digit number for the PAL, and a Feb. 29th date that there was no leap year.
They reached out stating the PAL# didn't look right as PAL#'s don't start with the digits I gave them.
I then gave them an 8 digit number with proper prefix, and a birth date of Feb. 29th in a leap year.
The company then responded that my PAL# that I gave them did not check out with my birth date and could I send the proper info...To which I asked them who has authorized them to access this information and told them they were over reaching.
Retailers in other provinces seem not to check, verify, or otherwise record PAL numbers on ammunition purchases, so can anyone tell me why Ontario retailers are? Or, perhaps more accurately, who is paying these Ontario retailers to collect, and I assume submit, this data?
Who authorized this?
I can verify that the Ontario Dealer has "checked" a PAL number and birth date that I had given them.
I purchased a fairly significant amount of centerfire, rifle ammo (1500rds) for range banging. At the time of filling the order, I gave all info aside from birth date and PAL#. As before, I thought the information none of their business.
The company reached out for the info via email, and I asked why they needed the info. No answer.
I then gave them a 6 digit number for the PAL, and a Feb. 29th date that there was no leap year.
They reached out stating the PAL# didn't look right as PAL#'s don't start with the digits I gave them.
I then gave them an 8 digit number with proper prefix, and a birth date of Feb. 29th in a leap year.
The company then responded that my PAL# that I gave them did not check out with my birth date and could I send the proper info...To which I asked them who has authorized them to access this information and told them they were over reaching.
Retailers in other provinces seem not to check, verify, or otherwise record PAL numbers on ammunition purchases, so can anyone tell me why Ontario retailers are? Or, perhaps more accurately, who is paying these Ontario retailers to collect, and I assume submit, this data?
Who authorized this?
I live near Kamloops and the stores record PAL info, no big deal IMO. It was explained to me that due to the current gov't's views regarding anything firearm related, the stores are CYA to protect their licensing.
Some will come here and say that they refuse to do business as it's not the law. I don't know all the requirements for a business to get and retain licensing, I just know that if I want to purchase ammo/reloading components, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
LOL I have purchased ammo from a large veriety of stores and online. Not one of them wrote anything down BUT they all asked to my RPAL.
Heres an example: I ordered 1,500 rounds of .556 online all they asked for was my RPAL number and address to ship it to. No problems.
Heres an example: I ordered 1,500 rounds of .556 online all they asked for was my RPAL number and address to ship it to. No problems.
Did you know they verified the number and birth date with the CFO/RCMP?
Yeah, just about chocked when reading that one.
Crappy Tires used to do it and have not had that issue since about 2011...
Rob
In conversation with the retailer, it appears that if you're in Ontario, retailers are required by law to not only record your PAL#, the amount of ammo purchased, and your birthdate, they are required to verify such via RCMP/CFO.
Read: if you don't want the government and right arm of the state to know how many rounds you have and where you have them, don't buy ammo in Ontario.
There are free shipping offers from retailers in other provinces provided you buy in bulk, so from now on that's exactly what I'm doing. Our provincial government is trying it's damndest to put our gun stores out of business apparently?
Read: if you don't want the government and right arm of the state to know how many rounds you have and where you have them, don't buy ammo in Ontario.
There are free shipping offers from retailers in other provinces provided you buy in bulk, so from now on that's exactly what I'm doing. Our provincial government is trying it's damndest to put our gun stores out of business apparently?
Thank you!!However, as I read this, a drivers licence would suffice?
The Act came into being BEFORE the PAL as we know it was firmly established, so yeah... a DL would have sufficed.
These days it's been my experience that a retailer will record PAL # and a description of ammo purchased. That's it.
If ever there is an investigation requiring the data, the police can easily access further identifying information via the PAL #s
I will call this as I have bought ammo from Ontario retailers several times this year and have NEVER seen where my PAL was verified by RCMP. In fact I asked my friend who is a CTC dealer and they said no they simply have to make a record and keep it for several years. Actually when i see the person at CTC write the info down in the book I highly doubt a lot of people could decipher what they wrote anyway.
Canadian tire in Ontario takes it a step further and demands you give them your home address for their book. I’ve told them to more or less shove their ammo up their ass when they ask me that and walked away. Will never spend money on ammo at places that ask for information above and beyond the minimum required. It would be nice to live in a province where simply looking at a PAL or verifying validity somehow was all that’s required. Maybe I’ll start buying it in MB when I’m over there.
