Para High Capacity 40SW ?

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Thinking of getting a Para single action high capacity 40sw. Does the high capacity thing mean the gun is a little wider than a normal 1911 style gun and more simular to STI,s 2011? Would this make a good IPSC gun ? Iam shooting a Beretta Brigadier right now.
 
RHall said:
Thinking of getting a Para single action high capacity 40sw. Does the high capacity thing mean the gun is a little wider than a normal 1911 style gun and more simular to STI,s 2011? Would this make a good IPSC gun ? Iam shooting a Beretta Brigadier right now.
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It's a double stack...like STI / SVI

Capacity in the .40 is not really a factor in Canada...even the single stacks hold 10 (the legal limit in Canada)

The major advantage of a double stack is in the reloads...much easier to get the mag in the magwell with a double stack vs a single stack.

A Para in .40 cal would be good choice for IPSC...(as would an STI or SVI)

Cheers
 
If you will be shooting IPSC, YES, I will highly recommend a double stack for the same reason Quigley mentioned above. Para Ltd is a good IPSC handgun starter, but I will guarantee you, you would want your Para to be tweaked and have some modifications to it. Base on my experience, I would recommend you buying a stock STI 2011 than a Para Ltd if you can afford extra cash. Trust me, I've been to that situation of buying my son a Para LTD. I spent close if not the same amount of money that I would have spent to a stock STI 2011 after all the tweaks and upgrades I did to his Para Ltd gun just to be IPSC ready.

People here may not agree, but that's just my 2 cents opinion.:D :D

Good luck in shopping around for your new IPSC handgun :)
 
there is nothing high capcity about a double stack. it is just the fact that we poor canadian's have been brainwashed to think that anything that holds more then 10 rounds is somehow bad and evil and we have bought into the anitgun crowd's wording of high capicity. it is a normal doulbe stack hand gun! us poor canadians have to use cripple magizines is all!
 
Walter Hornby said:
there is nothing high capcity about a double stack. it is just the fact that we poor canadian's have been brainwashed to think that anything that holds more then 10 rounds is somehow bad and evil and we have bought into the anitgun crowd's wording of high capicity. it is a normal doulbe stack hand gun! us poor canadians have to use cripple magizines is all!
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Speak for yourself. I'm not brainwashed. I'm almost (not quite though) glad cause my thumb would fall off from loading those extra 4+ rounds with every mag :D
 
If you intend to actually compete with the gun and decide to go the Para route, you will need to go ito it with the knowledge that you wil need to right off the bat replace the following items:
Hammer, sear, disconnector strut.
Extractor.
Magazine release.
Magazine funnel.
Recoil spring.
Magazine base pads.
And you will likely want to replace the thumb safety as well.
Additionally, you will want to ditch the series 80 crap so you will need to get a spacer plate to fill in that empty frame space.
You will need a gun smith to properly fit and tune all of this stuff as well.

This is what you will need to make the gun run properly, and if you really want a competitive gun you will probably at some point end up replacing the barrel, replacing or modifying the trigger, and probably replacing the front sight. Usually, people then descover that the grip frame on Paras are like fence posts, and need to be slimmed down. New or thinner profile grips; recontouring the frame; recontouring the beavertail; refinnishing.......

I went through all of this stuff back when I shot Paras. All guns built for racing will need some degree of modification and tuning, but Paras require a lot. They are also investment castings so be aware. Can a decent gun be built from one? Sure. But before you leap cost it out. Decide how competitive a gun you want and see what it will cost to build one from a para format or from something else that is built more specifically for racing.
 
RHall said:
Thinking of getting a Para single action high capacity 40sw. Does the high capacity thing mean the gun is a little wider than a normal 1911 style gun and more simular to STI,s 2011? Would this make a good IPSC gun ? Iam shooting a Beretta Brigadier right now.
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I would seriously consider looking at Tanfoglio SA over Para. I have petted one owned by an IPSC GM, I like it better than Para. It was a stainless/chrome finish. Comparably, the slide and frame is way better than Para.
 
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I would seriously consider looking at Tanfoglio SA over Para. I have petted one owned by an IPSC GM, I like it better than Para. It was a stainless/chrome finish. Comparably, the slide and frame is way better than Para.
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Agreed. And they are a lot more affordable than the S*I varieties. As it happens, I should be getting mine next week after what will be an almost six week wait. At this point, if I have to wait any longer I will probably burst a vein in my head.
 
You getting the Standard Custom or Stock Custom (DA/SA model) ?




relliott said:
Agreed. And they are a lot more affordable than the S*I varieties. As it happens, I should be getting mine next week after what will be an almost six week wait. At this point, if I have to wait any longer I will probably burst a vein in my head.
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Musky Hunter said:
You getting the Standard Custom or Stock Custom (DA/SA model) ?
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The Limited Custom for now. Later if $$$ permit I would like to grab a Production gun as well, but still haven't settled on which one....CZ or TF.
 
I have both a STI and Para. I upgraded the para with match barrel etc and there is not much between them but I now shoot the STI.

For out of the box the STI is the better buy. Para's loosen up and loose accuarcy quick.

I'm thinking of letting the Para go to fund another toy (9mm production??) but I'm definitely keeping the STI.

My 2 cents
 
I have both a STI and Para. I upgraded the para with match barrel etc and there is not much between them but I now shoot the STI.

For out of the box the STI is the better buy. Para's loosen up and loose accuarcy quick.

I'm thinking of letting the Para go to fund another toy (9mm production??) but I'm definitely keeping the STI.

My 2 cents
 
Just another vote for the STI.

I bought the Para and still shoot with it.

By the time I had the following done:

coned the barrel
fiber optic site
magwell
replaced the plastic mag catch after it sheared off
had the series 80 stuff removed
replaced the sear and hammer
replaced the ambi safety
fiddled with the mags to seat properly with 10 rounds plus one chambered, clipping springs and changing basepads.

the sunk cost is pretty much the same as an STI Edge with a trigger job. I still compete with it and I don't think I would do much better with an STI but if I were to do it again, I wouldn't go the Para route.

- Andrew
 
andrewl said:
Just another vote for the STI.

I bought the Para and still shoot with it.

By the time I had the following done:

coned the barrel
fiber optic site
magwell
replaced the plastic mag catch after it sheared off
had the series 80 stuff removed
replaced the sear and hammer
replaced the ambi safety
fiddled with the mags to seat properly with 10 rounds plus one chambered, clipping springs and changing basepads.

the sunk cost is pretty much the same as an STI Edge with a trigger job. I still compete with it and I don't think I would do much better with an STI but if I were to do it again, I wouldn't go the Para route.

- Andrew
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Is that you Doc?
If it is you, you can try my STI next time we have a club match at Burke.

I'll PM you

R
 
I sold my P-14 Para to my son who still has it. My SSP has about 1,000 rounds through it and remains tight as the day I bought it, as does the P14 with about 5,000 rds through the gun. Both have yet to have a failure to feed or fire. Neither gun has had any of the parts replaced. In short they are, from my experience, excellent buys that will outshoot most shooters.

I have an STI Trojan in 9MM that required a lighter recoil spring to operate properly but that aside it has also run flawlessly and is very accurate.

The series 80 safety is there and works. Not sure why guys take them out. I guess once you do you can always say you did and the trigger is much better without it. Me, I can't tell the difference but I am sure some can.

Todd Jarret seems to do OK shooting Paras. When I can beat him regularily I'll take a look at STI's. Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

Ether Para or STI are very good choices and will serve you well.

Take Care

Bob
 
Todd also has a supply of guns provided to him. He doesn't have to deal much with issues of wear or metal fatigue and breakage since he doesn't have to keep his guns until they fall apart.
 
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