Parker Hale identification help!

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I now have my dad’s Parker hale 300 win mag, but there’s no model number but it doesn’t look anything like what I’ve seen online.

It has a rounded black end on the forestock unlike most I see where it’s like a wedge or chisel, I’m truly stumped. It has “MAG-34336” on the side of the receiver but not much else, also it has a matte or eggshell finish rather than a glossy one, gold trigger.

I’m on my phone so I’ll add some pics later.. maybe just the description will be enough.

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ID of Parker Hale can be interesting - Apparently when USA company Gibbs bought out Parker Hale, all the PH corporate records were burned - so all gone as far as their history of production. Is a few of us trying to reconstruct that via ads in various Canadian retailers - old SIR catalogues, old Parker Hale catalogues, etc. What we are finding - they seldom used photographs in their ads - was "sketches" - that may or may not match up to the words used in the ad, at that time. If you do up pictures, is it a hinged floor plate or a detachable magazine? - most models made with either - and some early ones had fixed floor plates. From parts lists, absolutely identical part numbers for most any part for PH Models 1000, 1100 and 1200 - except for the stocks - three different part numbers for replacement stocks.

What you describe was pretty a common sporter style made from Mauser 98 action - so over the years, the stock could have been replaced or "dressed up", barrel could have been replaced, chamber could have been reamed out to something other than original. All of those things can be done in North America without consequence - some of them will require "re-proofing" in Great Britain or some other European countries. For your information, remove that barrelled action from the stock - somewhere on the barrel - often below the wood line - near the chamber - an original Parker Hale barrel will have various proof stamps from Birmingham Proof House - will give the name of the cartridge (as it was called then, in Great Britain - which might be different than what we call it in North America, now-a-days) and the coding in the stamping - the letters to each side of the crossed pennants, give you the year that it was "proofed". Should be a "BNP" stamp on the receiver and bolt (often on the bolt's handle) - with luck you will find matching serial numbers on them - that would normally mean that all were "proofed" together, back whenever.

I think the 300 Win Mag cartridge might have been introduced circa 1963 - your rifle could easily be older than that - with either a replacement barrel, or one that was originally chambered in something else - like 30-06 - and then reamed out to 300 Win Mag. The serial number that you gave, suggests it started out as a "Magnum" of some sort, though. Was not terribly uncommon, "back in the day" to have a rifle chamber re-cut for commonly available ammo - so can find former 7x61 Sharpe and Hart rifles that were re-cut to use 7 mm Remington Magnum ammo. I did not look if similar is possible, say from 308 Norma Magnum to 300 Win Mag - but was a viable option in some cases, when factory ammo to buy simply was not available, or stupendously expensive to buy, in particular locations.

At some time, Parker Hale (and other makers) used the word "Safari" as part of that model name - there has been "Super" Safari and Safari De Luxe versions here - roll stamps with those names on left exterior wall of the receiver. After those (I think), they morphed into Model 1000, 1100, 1200 - I have never found that ID on those rifles, although a particular rifle - a Model 1200 TX that is here - says so, on it's barrel. Another one, chambered in 308 Norma Magnum, has no indicator what Model it is at all - all the clues point to a Model 1200, but it does not say that on the rifle. Was not uncommon in those days for a particular rifle to have a model name that was used to sell it in Europe, and then the exact same rifle would be sold under a different Model name in North America, by a specific distributor. Or, the North American distributor may have commissioned companies like Parker Hale (and others) to make a particular type of rifle to their specs - usually sold to North American market.

From dark corner of my memory, the name "Westwind", or perhaps "Tradewind", comes up as a USA importer that might have sold guns that had the word "Safari" in their name. I think Browning (or at least what is now Browning) also sold a "Safari" stamped rifle model??

What is confusing to some - Parker Hale also made and sold components - so, for example, front sight ramps. So, you might see a rifle with the name "Parker Hale" on the front sight ramp - is not a Parker Hale made rifle - but that ramp was made by Parker Hale - someone - a basement guy, a commercial producer - used those parts to make their product, and sold the rifle to someone else.
 
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First, does it have a notch cut out out in the left side of the receiver. That will indicate post war build on a captured 98 action. No notch, things get messy. As Potashminer states, they were sold as various models, in various grades etc. Rounded fore ends were common until the Weatherby craze hit, where sharply angled ones were fashionable. Going to really need pics to give you better answers, sorry. - dan
 
I dug out one from the cabinet - so serial number is MAG-787XX. Is chambered in 308 Norma Magnum, with 24" barrel from the closed bolt face to the muzzle. On top of barrel, below the front bell of the scope, it says "Cal 308 N Mag". A commercial (no thumb cut-out in left receiver wall) style Mauser 98 action. It has a "C" type internal bulkhead in the front action ring - the left side bolt lug raceway does NOT continue through to the barrel, like on an "H" style bulkhead. The stock has a "rosewood" (I think) fore-end tip and pistol grip cap - white line spacer at forearm tip, at pistol grip and at ventilated recoil pad. The recoil pad does have the "PH" logo on it. A "roll over" style cheek rest on the comb of the stock. A cross bolt through the stock, behind the front of the receiver, but none ahead of the trigger. "Skip line" chequering in panels each side of pistol grip and also two panels each side of fore-arm - no chequering on the bottom of the fore-arm. A hinged floor plate - the floor plate release is a "button" along inner, lower, front portion of the trigger guard. Trigger is "gold" coloured. My best guess is that this one is a Model 1200, but does not say that.
 
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ID of Parker Hale can be interesting - Apparently when USA company Gibbs bought out Parker Hale, all the PH corporate records were burned - so all gone as far as their history of production. Is a few of us trying to reconstruct that via ads in various Canadian retailers - old SIR catalogues, old Parker Hale catalogues, etc. What we are finding - they seldom used photographs in their ads - was "sketches" - that may or may not match up to the words used in the ad, at that time. If you do up pictures, is it a hinged floor plate or a detachable magazine? - most models made with either - and some early ones had fixed floor plates. From parts lists, absolutely identical part numbers for most any part for PH Models 1000, 1100 and 1200 - except for the stocks - three different part numbers for replacement stocks.

What you describe was pretty a common sporter style made from Mauser 98 action - so over the years, the stock could have been replaced or "dressed up", barrel could have been replaced, chamber could have been reamed out to something other than original. All of those things can be done in North America without consequence - some of them will require "re-proofing" in Great Britain or some other European countries. For your information, remove that barrelled action from the stock - somewhere on the barrel - often below the wood line - near the chamber - an original Parker Hale barrel will have various proof stamps from Birmingham Proof House - will give the name of the cartridge (as it was called then, in Great Britain - which might be different than what we call it in North America, now-a-days) and the coding in the stamping - the letters to each side of the crossed pennants, give you the year that it was "proofed". Should be a "BNP" stamp on the receiver and bolt (often on the bolt's handle) - with luck you will find matching serial numbers on them - that would normally mean that all were "proofed" together, back whenever.

I think the 300 Win Mag cartridge might have been introduced circa 1963 - your rifle could easily be older than that - with either a replacement barrel, or one that was originally chambered in something else - like 30-06 - and then reamed out to 300 Win Mag. The serial number that you gave, suggests it started out as a "Magnum" of some sort, though. Was not terribly uncommon, "back in the day" to have a rifle chamber re-cut for commonly available ammo - so can find former 7x61 Sharpe and Hart rifles that were re-cut to use 7 mm Remington Magnum ammo. I did not look if similar is possible, say from 308 Norma Magnum to 300 Win Mag - but was a viable option in some cases, when factory ammo to buy simply was not available, or stupendously expensive to buy, in particular locations.

At some time, Parker Hale (and other makers) used the word "Safari" as part of that model name - there has been "Super" Safari and Safari De Luxe versions here - roll stamps with those names on left exterior wall of the receiver. After those (I think), they morphed into Model 1000, 1100, 1200 - I have never found that ID on those rifles, although a particular rifle - a Model 1200 TX that is here - says so, on it's barrel. Another one, chambered in 308 Norma Magnum, has no indicator what Model it is at all - all the clues point to a Model 1200, but it does not say that on the rifle. Was not uncommon in those days for a particular rifle to have a model name that was used to sell it in Europe, and then the exact same rifle would be sold under a different Model name in North America, by a specific distributor. Or, the North American distributor may have commissioned companies like Parker Hale (and others) to make a particular type of rifle to their specs - usually sold to North American market.

From dark corner of my memory, the name "Westwind", or perhaps "Tradewind", comes up as a USA importer that might have sold guns that had the word "Safari" in their name. I think Browning (or at least what is now Browning) also sold a "Safari" stamped rifle model??

What is confusing to some - Parker Hale also made and sold components - so, for example, front sight ramps. So, you might see a rifle with the name "Parker Hale" on the front sight ramp - is not a Parker Hale made rifle - but that ramp was made by Parker Hale - someone - a basement guy, a commercial producer - used those parts to make their product, and sold the rifle to someone else.

heres the pics! hey! thanks for the info, this site is a bit archaic the way it works so i think i did it right, link to the pics are following this message, thanks!

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I dug out one from the cabinet - so serial number is MAG-787XX. Is chambered in 308 Norma Magnum, with 24" barrel from the closed bolt face to the muzzle. On top of barrel, below the front bell of the scope, it says "Cal 308 N Mag". A commercial (no thumb cut-out in left receiver wall) style Mauser 98 action. It has a "C" type internal bulkhead in the front action ring - the left side bolt lug raceway does NOT continue through to the barrel, like on an "H" style bulkhead. The stock has a "rosewood" (I think) fore-end tip and pistol grip cap - white line spacer at forearm tip, at pistol grip and at ventilated recoil pad. The recoil pad does have the "PH" logo on it. A "roll over" style cheek rest on the comb of the stock. A cross bolt through the stock, behind the front of the receiver, but none ahead of the trigger. "Skip line" chequering in panels each side of pistol grip and also two panels each side of fore-arm - no chequering on the bottom of the fore-arm. A hinged floor plate - the floor plate release is a "button" along inner, lower, front portion of the trigger guard. Trigger is "gold" coloured. My best guess is that this one is a Model 1200, but does not say that.

hey! thanks for the info, this site is a bit archaic the way it works so i think i did it right, link to the pics are following this message, thanks!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/199831222@N02/
 
First, does it have a notch cut out out in the left side of the receiver. That will indicate post war build on a captured 98 action. No notch, things get messy. As Potashminer states, they were sold as various models, in various grades etc. Rounded fore ends were common until the Weatherby craze hit, where sharply angled ones were fashionable. Going to really need pics to give you better answers, sorry. - dan

hey! thanks for the info, this site is a bit archaic the way it works so i think i did it right, link to the pics are following this message, thanks!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/199831222@N02/
 
hey! thanks for the info, this site is a bit archaic the way it works so i think i did it right, link to the pics are following this message, thanks!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/199831222@N02/

Looks very similar to this one, except your forearm is much more rounded in profile - this one relatively "squarish" - not much for rounded at all. If you get so far as to pull the stock, let me know what you see for proof marks - I can maybe help you to date when it was proofed. Those letters will be TINY - like 2 mm tall - might need a magnify glass to read them - or possibly to zoom in on a good picture of them. At least for this one, it has similar scroll words up on the barrel ahead of your scope - if this one any guidance, the caliber that the barrel is chambered for will be stamped on top of the barrel - maybe forward of the receiver. As I did, might need to use a flash light to see and read it, under the scope front bell.
 
hey! thanks for the info, this site is a bit archaic the way it works so i think i did it right, link to the pics are following this message, thanks!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/199831222@N02/

I am guessing from your pictures that it has a detachable magazine? If so, there will be a third action screw, beside the big ones that you see at front and rear of bottom metal. You will have to punch out the hinge pin for the magazine release - the release and its spring, and maybe a little ball will fall out. Way up in that slot, you will see the end of an Allen screw going up - that is the third action screw - it threads into a boss that appears to be welded or brazed to the underside of the receiver - really weird to us thread - like BA #4 or BA #5 or something like that.
 
hey! thanks for the info, this site is a bit archaic the way it works so i think i did it right, link to the pics are following this message, thanks!

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I have some Parker Hale catalogues from those days - but likely not exactly what is needed - in a 1968 catalogue (No. 68), it shows a "squared off" stock version, similar to the one here. Your pictures seem to show the forearm chequering going right around the forearm - this one here has separate panels of chequering on left and right side of the stock - nothing at all on bottom of the forearm. Is possible that someone, at some time, re-filed / re-shaped that forearm front on yours - then re-cut the chequering and re-finished that stock. A clue might be whether the chequering on the forearm goes all the way around, and then does the chequering done on the pistol grip match to that, and also go all the way around. Is possible / probable that some Parker Hale models had only the stock done differently - the metal part exactly the same as another model. In this 1968 catalogue, page 17, shows a sketch of the rifle with the label Model 1200C in that pane; yet the page is describing "Parker Hale Super Safari" which they refer to as clip loading Model 1200C and hinged floor plate as Model 1200. Unfortunately, 300 Win Mag is NOT one of the cartridges that it is listed as available - 308 Norma Mag would be closest.

I do not have complete set of those catalogues - next one is No. 70 (from 1970). By then the rifle is advertised as Parker Hale Super 1200 series - again the sketch shows an angular forearm tip - it continued to be available in 308 Norma Mag - but was also available in 300 Win Mag. It says that Magnums were available in Model 1200 only (page 33) so that would be the version with the hinged floor plate.

Next that I have is catalogue 76/77 - so I presume that covered two years - 1976 and 1977(?) That rifle appears to continue to be marketed as "Parker Hale Super 1200 Series" - the sketch displays an angular front end and roll-over cheek rest on the stock - and it is listed in 300 Win Mag, but not in 308 Norma Mag - and no mention about no magnums in the "clip" models, either.

So, if you really want to ID that rifle, you will probably have to tell us about the Birmingham proof marks - to establish about a year of manufacture for it - then to find out what variants that Parker Hale made that year - what you have, may include someone's "customization" of a Parker Hale product.

I have no other catalogues for Parker Hale for 1960's or 1950's - then I have one from 1940 and one from 1930's - both of which will pre-date a 300 Win Mag by many decades.
 
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Mystery Parker Hale, need help!

I now have my dad’s Parker hale 300 win mag, but there’s no model number but it doesn’t look anything like what I’ve seen online.

It has a rounded black end on the forestock unlike most I see where it’s like a wedge or chisel, I’m truly stumped. It has “MAG-34336” on the side of the receiver but not much else, also it has a matte or eggshell finish rather than a glossy one, gold trigger. Pics to follow

Pics: https://www.flickr.com/photos/199831222@N02/

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Looks a detachable magazine version. So a 1200C. PH did make some rounded tip stocks, I have one in the basement. That one has no rosewood tip on it though. They did sell 1200 Super models with that style of stock as well. But someone may have have swapped the stock, or the magazine mechanism (lots of people prefer a detachable magazine, have one of those in the basement as well). I think the proof marks and small stamps, as potash mentioned, will give you a better idea of age, anyway. - dan
 
I now have my dad’s Parker hale 300 win mag, but there’s no model number but it doesn’t look anything like what I’ve seen online.

It has a rounded black end on the forestock unlike most I see where it’s like a wedge or chisel, I’m truly stumped. It has “MAG-34336” on the side of the receiver but not much else, also it has a matte or eggshell finish rather than a glossy one, gold trigger. Pics to follow

Pics: https://www.flickr.com/photos/199831222@N02/

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It is a commercial Mauser 98 action, likely FN or possibly Santa Barbara (Spain)
From the photos it is most likely a Parker Hale 1200.
 
Its one of the later models with the commercial 98 action (Santa Barbara). It has a removeable clip, so likely a 1200C. The stock may be an aftermarket one, the original stocks were prone to cracking.
 
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