Parker hale m82-m87-C3-C3A1 Rifles

Carl:
what would a fair price be for an Unertl 10x. The last one i found which had just sold as $3000.00 I understand availability may be driving the price but not that much. The USOptics MST-100 new is $2700 and change. They had a 15% discount going on there prices. It is basically a 10x Unertl with some changes.
In my mind that should put a Unertl 10x at say 20% less for used they should run $18-$23 hundred in hand. If you can find me one in between those ranges in hand. I would take it.
Regards Delta1
 
delta1 said:
Carl:
what would a fair price be for an Unertl 10x. The last one i found which had just sold as $3000.00 I understand availability may be driving the price but not that much. The USOptics MST-100 new is $2700 and change. They had a 15% discount going on there prices. It is basically a 10x Unertl with some changes.
In my mind that should put a Unertl 10x at say 20% less for used they should run $18-$23 hundred in hand. If you can find me one in between those ranges in hand. I would take it.
Regards Delta1
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Hey D1,

They actually hold their value pretty well. I actually traded one last summer for my S&B 3-12x50 PMII - that's a $3200 scope from Wolverine.

I don't honestly think you will find one for what you want to pay. The US is your best bet to find one, but again with all the M40A1 builds, they get snapped up pretty quick.

MST-100 is a Unertl - only it's built by USO. They are the contract builder for the USMC, as well as being the rebuild centre for all the screwed up C3A1 Unertl's.

You'll also have the mount to deal with as well - was a proprietary mount built for the CF. Some appear every now and then - as they were in with all of PH's asset's when they were sold off.

During the contract build in the early 90's, approx 10 C3A1's had been incorrectly barreled with M85 barrels and were warrenty returns. Rather then fool around with rebarreling them, they were replaced and the other one's were put aside to be repaired at a later date.

PH went out of business and the rest is history - ergo why you see some CF parts surface every now and then, all over the world. A real CF C3A1 mount sold in the US within the last 8 months - it now resides in New Zealand.:mad:

There's also been a real C3 Sniper Unertl 10x for sale on ebay twice within the last 2 years - one of the one's that was on the rifles that made their way out of PH when they went into receivership. I actually placed a bid on it myself - guess my bid of $5500 US wasn't enough:eek:, as the reserve was never met and there were 2 higher bidders than me!:(

Heck, about 2 years ago right here on CGN, a C3A1 Unertl sold, for about $4000 I believe. That was a scoop for whoever got it, as I've never seen hide nore hair of it since.

Somewhere out there are 10 C3A1's(mind you, these would have the wood stocks on em - way before we adopted the McMillan A2's) floating around with the Unertl's on em. Some lucky stiff's have em and probably don't even know what they have.

So keep looking - you just might get lucky one day!:D

Cheers, Carl
 
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Carl:
Thank you for the information, Great stuff. Definatly did not know they commanded that much of a price for an original CF Unertl. I will check on a used MST-100 also.
Regards Tim
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Here's my Unertl I traded last year. Beggars can't be chooser's when you have a M40A3 build that needed the S&B.

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Cheers, Carl
 
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delta1 said:
Carl:
You realise what you just did is a form of torture.
(ya ya I know) I will have to keep on looking. Great looking Unit. I hope the S+B looks as good.
Regards Tim
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Tim,

So sorry, couldn't resist. I've had many cool toys within my 20+ years of collecting and owning.

Here's the latest - USMC M40A3 - 100% Spec rifle:
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More to follow, should I win the lottery - C14 Timberwolf:D

Cheers, Carl
 
Tim, it's like waving a steak behind the bars of a caged, hungry lion...

Carl, I don't know how in Hell you could've parted with such a rare piece - especially considering that it would've been a bona-fide M40A3 even with that Unertl. S&B's are all the rage nowadays and are all over the place; I should know: I have one too, and so do many other members here... How'd yuo get your hands on the Unertl, anyway?
 
redman said:
Tim, it's like waving a steak behind the bars of a caged, hungry lion...

Carl, I don't know how in Hell you could've parted with such a rare piece - especially considering that it would've been a bona-fide M40A3 even with that Unertl. S&B's are all the rage nowadays and are all over the place; I should know: I have one too, and so do many other members here... How'd yuo get your hands on the Unertl, anyway?
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Bought it through a mutual friend of Colonel Rocky Green - current owner of the now defunct Unertl Optical Company. Even got the LEO discount on it on accounta I've been known to wear a funky looking uniform every now and then! Bloody thing cost me near what the S&B is worth - dollar was really crummy when I bought it about 6 years ago now!

I wanted the S&B more so than the Unertl - heck, the S&B is actually off of a C14 Timberwolf which makes it even more sweeter to me!:D

I'd sell the M40A3 in a minute to get my grubby paws on a spec C14 Timberwolf anyday! Any takers on my offer!:D

Heck, I don't even have my LTR back yet and I'm contemplating selling it as well to get the Timberwolf.

Oh well, onto the next rifle!;):D

Cheers, Carl
 
Aw man, so the whole point was to have scope you could use when you finally get the timberwolf?? Sheesh! Well, if you want it that bad, there are a couple of new ones on sale on the ee. Back on topic, how about you let Tim here get in touch with your unertl contact? Maybe he can help him...
 
rgg_7 said:
What is the C3A1 scope mount worth?
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If you could find one, I bet it would fetch a fair bit I would think. The one that Carl speaks of was actually pictured on Snipers Hide in the gallery. Someone had welded it to a Stevens 200 action not knowing what it was. Another member over there that has a few Oh rifles, bought it and litteraly broke the action to get it off.
 
Bos:
Methinks Carl would have worked out well in Psy-Ops, He really knows how to put the pressure on.

Carl:
Very nice unit indeed, I am thinking of giving USO a shout on the phone. Perhaps they can give me a little help in this matter. I will also discuss the MST versus the ST-10 looks with options added if I have to go that route.
Unless of course you find me one ( I have an ear to ear grin on my face)
Regards Tim
 
Tim,

I have had an ST-10, I had just the basic model, but I can tell you it is a fantastic scope. Now with the options that USO is offering, you can make a pretty cool scope for the build.

I am currently doing a PH build with Carl/s assistance, and I am looking at the ST-10 as one of a few scopes I think would suit a build like that.
 
delta1 said:
What are the chances of finding a aluminum elongated PH bolt knob. If anyone knows where let me know. I have not seen one in all the parts searching I have done.
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I have the proper bolt, complete with the knob off of an M85. Doubt the guy I bought if from has any left though (He had 4, two came to Canada). Unfortunately I'm not parting with it but I'm sure that it's easily replicated.

I also have the proper rail off of a C3, again, I'm keeping it, but I'm sure that someone could make a copy of it for you.

If I can be of any help let me know.

Your project is certainly shaping up quick. I've been picking up some small parts for a couple of Parker Hale builds myself but it's slow going, especially with my budget.

Could the original PH barrel contour be easily replicated? Not the Mclennan replacement profile, but the original. I asked one gunsmith and he said no, maybe he just didn't feel like it, or I didn't explain myself well?

Since we're talking C3's here, what scope mount was used on the original C3's?

ETA: Glad to see that your getting a lot of help on this one. I talked about doing a C3ish clone a couple of years back and didn't get nothing except a "don't bother, buy a 700".
 
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When I first started talking to Casey at Tac-Ord about my build, he told me he could make any bolt knob I wanted and I did ask him about this one in particular, not a problem he told me.
 
Steve David said:
Would have looked better with the Unertl.............!
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tps50701 said:
Here's the latest - USMC M40A3 - 100% Spec riflerl
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Minus some turret markings :stirthepot2::ban:

Back to topic - Carl, you talked about the mount earlier but it was a bt confusing - was it a mount Unertl designed & manufactured? Or was it a Unertl design manufactured by Parker Hale? From pics I've seen of the C3A1, it looks like it has the SIMRAD mount... they haven't switched to Badger, have they?
 
C3 used steel bases with Parker Hale RALS4 rings. The rear base has 2 holes to accommodate the allen head 10-32 screws; rear countersunk to allows the 5E aperature sight special base to lock down when the scope is removed. Both scope bases have the extra hole for the scope ring recoil lug. Most clones use the A22 and A28 aluminum bases (I've got a couple of spare sets of these - PM me if interested). The rings are aluminum 26mm. and both have a recoil lug.

C3A1 used the Unertl one piece design. I've only seen one of these outside the military. Would like to know what one was worth.
 
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rgg_7 said:
C3 used steel bases with Parker Hale RALS4 rings. The rear base has hole to accommodate the allen head 8-40 screws and allows the 5E aperature sight special base to lock down when the scope is removed. Both scope bases have the extra hole for the scope ring recoil lug. Most clones use the A22 and A28 aluminum bases (I've got a couple of spare sets of these - PM me if interested). The rings are aluminum 26mm. and both have a recoil lug.

C3A1 used the Unertl one piece design. I've only seen one of these outside the military. Would like to know what one was worth.
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I don't have it in front of me, but the whole sorry story was laid out in Clive Law's Without Warning, about the whole difficulty of acquiring the scopes from Unertl and how difficult he was to deal with. As I recall, did Parker Hale not install the scope mounts on the C3 rifles? Or was that done in house?

Also, I believe an audit was done at one point and the accuracy of the rifles had fallen pretty far off due to wear and use...were they not all shipped back to PH for rebuilds?

I'll have another look at that book.
 
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