Parker Hale

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Please bear with me here, this is yet another Parker Hale thread. I own a minty - unmodified - PH from the 1960s that my dad bought new. Very nice gun. My question is; does anyone know the definitive source of info for identifying the numerous iterations of this company's guns? I have done an exhaustive search and found many knowledgeable sources/persons to help out, but have yet to find another gun quite like mine or a comprehensive listing of PH's numerous versions. Every time I think I am getting close to finding a twin, or someone who truly has unraveled the mystery, it turns into another blind alley. I'm not losing sleep, but I am quite intrigued.:bangHead:
 
Mine has the schnabel forend, the two position safety, and some different markings on the barrel. My dad is gone now, but my brother seemed to think it may be a 'Spanish' version? Greek to me...

And no, I cannot find the 'manage attachments' link anywhere in any thread so I can upload some pictures.
 
I realize, after finding the pics on my computer, that I have never posted pics here and don't know how to do this. Apparently I must post them elsewhere and insert the URL here?

Post them up on photobucket or something similar. Then put the IMG code as text in between
symbols. It's not as hard as it seems.
 
"Spanish" refers to the commercial '98 actions they used...mine is a "Santa Barbra"

I've not posted pics yet either...have to soon. Some goodies for the EE to move!

Other things about your rifle that you can offer up (without a pic) are:
Engravings? Floorplate or, clip? Chambering?
 
woodlotowner has twin threads about this Parker Hale. The other is in the Hunting and Sporting Shotgun Forum.
Perhaps the first thing to do would be to describe the gun - rifle or shotgun, etc.
 
"Spanish" refers to the commercial '98 actions they used...mine is a "Santa Barbra"

I've not posted pics yet either...have to soon. Some goodies for the EE to move!

Other things about your rifle that you can offer up (without a pic) are:
Engravings? Floorplate or, clip? Chambering?

'Safari De Luxe' on receiver; BNP with crown on receiver, barrel, and bolt handle; 30-06 2.494" on barrel; 18 Tons per square (square symbol) inch on barrel; serial number A15XX S. There may be, I believe, some further markings on the receiver which are concealed by the stock, but I am not taking it apart at this time.

Assuming 2000 lbs per ton (Imperial ton...and not a 'long' ton) this would equate to 36,000 psi. Typical load pressures for this caliber range up to, and exceed, 60,000 psi. What is this barrel information in aid of??
 
"Spanish" refers to the commercial '98 actions they used...mine is a "Santa Barbra"

I've not posted pics yet either...have to soon. Some goodies for the EE to move!

Other things about your rifle that you can offer up (without a pic) are:
Engravings? Floorplate or, clip? Chambering?

Ooops. No engravings. Hinged floor plate. Also, not a bent bolt in the traditional sense, but rather a 'curved' bolt with the handle curving slightly up and back at the knob end. I have to use 'high' rings for the scope so the handle clears the hardware. A beautiful schnabel stock with grip cap and original recoil pad. In all the pictures I have seen I have never seen a stock the same as this one...
 
....... not a bent bolt in the traditional sense, but rather a 'curved' bolt with the handle curving slightly up and back at the knob end. I have to use 'high' rings for the scope so the handle clears the hardware......

Then it is not the original bolt. Have owned quite a few over the past 40+ years, and never had any problem mounting scopes in low rings on a PH.

Ted
 
Jethunter/Why_not,

Nope. Not the 1200 since my brother has one of these which is an exact match for the pics. Mine has the Mauser safety, but with two position operation; the stock is quite different; the bolt appears to have the same upward and rearward curvature as mine however.

I discovered Brithunter early in the search. The other site you sent, believe it or not, Jethunter, is a game site. I had found that too. Some real guns, some not. Some real info, some not. Weird.

Anyway, mine is definitely a shooter and once I get the remaining copper out of the barrel (my Dad never cleaned for copper apparently) it won't shoot any worse.

BTW, my floor plate is not hinged. It drops right out when released. I was momentarily confusing it with the Remington...
 
Parker Hale set up a variety of Mauser type sporting rifles. Early ones used reworked military actions. There were at least three versions of commercial Mauser sporting actions used. The first version was the best. It was pretty much a copy of an FN commercial, and had the "C" style inner collar, which gives best enclosure of the bolthead and cartridge case. Next version had the simplified inner collar with the left hand lugway broached right through for manufacturing convenience. Last version had no inner collar, no safety interlock at the front of the firing pin. Features designed into the Mauser 98 which contribute directly to safety were eliminated in exchange for manufacturing convenience. The traditional Mauser boltstop/ejector box disappeared, being replaced by the inferior unit from the PH Midland economy rifle. Barrel thread uniformity is inconsistant. Bolt handle countours varied; some don't allow really low scope mounting.
The less said about the PH detachable magazine system, the better. The front sight ramp mounting system contributes to bulged/cracked muzzles. The little tab on the safety that blocks the sear tends to break off.
Generally, if you look at the left side of the receiver tang, you can see where the "Made in Spain" stamp was ground out.
The actions are Spanish. I do not know the origin of the barrels. They tend to be hard, and if they fail, they tend to fracture with pieces being detached. The stocks were made by Sile in Italy. Basically PH was running an assembly operation using outsourced parts.
Finish is generally excellent. The rifles are shiney. They tend to shoot well.
I wouldn't worry about which model or variation a particualr rifle is. Differences are primarily in stock style and finish, and have little to do with quality.
 
British made rifles are proofed with heavy overloads but they are stamped with the SERVICE or operating pressure of the working ammunition for which the rifle is recommended.

Tons used are Imperial Long Tons: 2240 pounds apiece.

Further, I would think you're reading it wrong: 18 tons is less than the common.303 is proofed for. A .30-06 would have been proofed for 19 tons working pressure at the very least and 21 tons more likely. I was going to insert the stampings on my own BSA semi-custom P-17 here, but I had a look and found that it is proofed only for an unmentionable charge of NC powder with a 220-grain bullet. Suffice to say that they are proofed at pressures high enough that there should be no huge danger in running it on stuff you get at the hardware store.

Have fun.
 
...Safari Deluxe answers your question original question. Compare google photos/pictures with your's to get the model number (1100, 1200 etc...)

The schnabbel stock will help narrow it down.

regarding "proof marks"... I have a hard time imagining it was tested "under" normal loads but, don't know. Someone here (CGN) will though...
 
Parker Hale set up a variety of Mauser type sporting rifles. Early ones used reworked military actions. There were at least three versions of commercial Mauser sporting actions used. The first version was the best. It was pretty much a copy of an FN commercial, and had the "C" style inner collar, which gives best enclosure of the bolthead and cartridge case. Next version had the simplified inner collar with the left hand lugway broached right through for manufacturing convenience. Last version had no inner collar, no safety interlock at the front of the firing pin. Features designed into the Mauser 98 which contribute directly to safety were eliminated in exchange for manufacturing convenience. The traditional Mauser boltstop/ejector box disappeared, being replaced by the inferior unit from the PH Midland economy rifle. Barrel thread uniformity is inconsistant. Bolt handle countours varied; some don't allow really low scope mounting.
The less said about the PH detachable magazine system, the better. The front sight ramp mounting system contributes to bulged/cracked muzzles. The little tab on the safety that blocks the sear tends to break off.
Generally, if you look at the left side of the receiver tang, you can see where the "Made in Spain" stamp was ground out.
The actions are Spanish. I do not know the origin of the barrels. They tend to be hard, and if they fail, they tend to fracture with pieces being detached. The stocks were made by Sile in Italy. Basically PH was running an assembly operation using outsourced parts.
Finish is generally excellent. The rifles are shiney. They tend to shoot well.
I wouldn't worry about which model or variation a particualr rifle is. Differences are primarily in stock style and finish, and have little to do with quality.

Tiriaq, I like your attitude. In fact, I have been shooting and enjoying the old family heirloom every chance I get. It's the nicest looking gun I own.
I'm not sure where I would look for the ground off "Made in Spain" situation. Is it covered by the stock? Yes, I do not remove the floor plate as it is easier to just cycle the remaining rounds out of the magazine!!
 
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