Part 2: New to hunting, need advice please.

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This is Part 2 of my hunting related questions, this one is about internal damage proportions between .30 and .264 caliber bullets. If I use the same make and model bullet in these two different calibers, say a 140 gr Nosler Accubond in the 6.5x55 and a 180 gr Nosler Accubond in a 30-06 (modern rifles), both loaded to similar velocities and hitting a moose broadside in the boiler room, hitting a rib bone and at a distance of 300 m with a clear line of sight (that is the furthest I will be hunting moose). According to your knowledge, which one would cause the most internal damage and why?

The reason I ask is that I want to insure the fastest humane kill I can ethically deliver. Thx for your input.
 
You are going to get a lot of varying answers on this question...... and for good reason, because it really isn’t all that cut and dried....

Every bullet is designed to do different things at different speeds etc....
 
Both of the rounds you suggested have enough sectional density and energy to kill a moose. As to which will kill better would be on you... what do you shoot most accurately?? Shot placement will be the key to which will be most humane/ethical. If its question of which one breaks bone better too many variables at play to honestly answer.
 
You're over thinking it... Put the bullet where it needs to go...

Plenty of big game animals are cleanly harvested with your average cup & core projectile tossed from tons of various calibers.

Bottom line, the animal will never know the difference between 264 or 30 cal if you put it where it needs to go...

Cheers
Jay
 
billdick said:
The moose won't know the difference between the two when shots are placed in the same position.
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Does not answer my question. I understand the importance of shot placement but I am trying to learn about internal ballistics with regards to different diamiters for the same bullet model.

Superbrad said:
You are going to get a lot of varying answers on this question...... and for good reason, because it really isn’t all that cut and dried....

Every bullet is designed to do different things at different speeds etc....
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Quite understandable and I agree. I am simply trying to get a better grasp of the internal ballistics.

cdn1canhunt said:
Both of the rounds you suggested have enough sectional density and energy to kill a moose. As to which will kill better would be on you... what do you shoot most accurately?? Shot placement will be the key to which will be most humane/ethical. If its question of which one breaks bone better too many variables at play to honestly answer.
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There is not a caliber that I shoot better as I am lucky to not be affected by recoil but I like lowest recoil simply to allow a quick 2nd acquisition on target but that’s because of my competitive shooting experience.

Jay said:
You're over thinking it... Put the bullet where it needs to go...

Plenty of big game animals are cleanly harvested with your average cup & core projectile tossed from tons of various calibers.

Bottom line, the animal will never know the difference between 264 or 30 cal if you put it where it needs to go...

Cheers
Jay
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you might be right, I might be over thinking it! But you can’t blame for asking and wanting to educate myself before starting the hunt.

Slamfire said:
Likely similar results with either. With a focus more on how to hunt, using calls Moose hunting is a close range proposition.
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True about learning the hunt!
 
The .30 will make a bigger hole, but that doesn't mean the moose will die any quicker. I had a 140 gr. accubond from a .270 stop after hitting the spine of a deer. I really don't know if a 180gr .30/06 would have kept going or not.
 
Shooting a living, breathing animal is very different than shooting paper.

There will be many variables that will be outside your control. The age and condition of the animal, stage of muscle development, hormone levels, resting or excited, etc. all affect terminal bullet performance. All of these factors can make more of a difference than the calibre of bullet you use.

As mentioned if you use a bullet appropriate to the animal being hunted cartridge and calibre choice (within reason) make little difference.
 
Your question is impossible to answer because far too many variables are at play. As already stated, you are over thinking this. Almost to the point of wanting a guarantee. Do your really think 0.044" difference in bullet diameter is the largest variable?
 
You've defined the comparison in nice neat terms. So I believe accurate and reasonable predictions can be made. In the comparison you suggest, I would predict no noticeable difference. You can look up a study done in Sweden of successful moose hunters, the cartridge used, shots fired, and distance after the shot. Very little difference between most "adequate" cartridges and bullets. However, from my own experience, a situation may arise is when a heavy bone, such as the humerus/scapula joint is hit on a quartering-towards shot. In that case the heavier .30 caliber bullet will show a slight advantage. On a rear angling shot, the smaller diameter and slightly better sectional density of the 6.5 may have a tiny theoretical penetration advantage, coupled with a narrower wound channel. When it comes to moose cartridges, and terminal performance, bigger is never worse, but sometimes no better either.
 
Longwalker said:
You've defined the comparison in nice neat terms. So I believe accurate and reasonable predictions can be made. In the comparison you suggest, I would predict no noticeable difference. You can look up a study done in Sweden of successful moose hunters, the cartridge used, shots fired, and distance after the shot. Very little difference between most "adequate" cartridges and bullets. However, from my own experience, a situation may arise is when a heavy bone, such as the humerus/scapula joint is hit on a quartering-towards shot. In that case the heavier .30 caliber bullet will show a slight advantage. On a rear angling shot, the smaller diameter and slightly better sectional density of the 6.5 may have a tiny theoretical penetration advantage, coupled with a narrower wound channel. When it comes to moose cartridges, and terminal performance, bigger is never worse, but sometimes no better either.
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Thx, makes sense!
 
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