Pattern Board Results - Adjustable Comb would you wouldn't you?

Spent some more time at the patterning board again today. This is with a bit of a higher gun mount than I normally have been using. Had a guy check my original mount and his opinion was that I was too low and slightly canted.

This is through a modified choke at 20 yards, posting from my phone so let's see if this works.

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Keep doing the mount you did today and don't change the gun. It's close enough as makes no difference. You need to see this as great results on the pattern board and now go out there and shoot, and trust your gun shoots where the bead says it does.
 
adamg said:
Keep doing the mount you did today and don't change the gun. It's close enough as makes no difference. You need to see this as great results on the pattern board and now go out there and shoot, and trust your gun shoots where the bead says it does.
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I think so as well, and I hope this is the case as I really like this gun a lot, the pattern in the lower left corner above felt the best to me. I think it's the best result of the group.
 
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any one of those patterns will vaporize targets. Now that you know where the gun shoots, go out and break a 1000 or so and get back to us.

Devlin said:
YES! Will be back in a decade or so with results ;-)
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Why so long? It can be done easily in a month, that's only 4 flats of ammo.:dancingbanana:

Getting back to the topic at hand, you are patterning at 20 yards, remember a pattern drops with distance. A little high at 20 yards is close to center at 40 yards, this one of the reasons most trap guns are set to pattern high, the other is visual(floating the bird over the rib). Looking at your patterns, I have to agree, they are slightly high, slightly to the left, but inconsistent, as such I wouldn't touch the stock. With a skeet choke, you should easily break birds with that POI, at trap distances the pattern should be close to centered. My advice is to get out and shoot the gun more.
 
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I put an adjustable comb on my 12 ga Guerini because of face slap. It still smacked my cheek. It's gone now. I shoot a Browning because it has no cast off. Works better for the cheek. My Beretta 682 used to bite me too, I put a soft stick on pad on the adjustable comb, moved it over, and that seemed to help somewhat, but it was a bandaid solution at best. Bruce
 
Well the quest continues and I'm leaning towards parting ways with the gun after taking the advice shared in this thread and a few others. I have a few problems with this gun that don't seem to show up for me in other guns, specifically I've shot a couple of newer Beretta's (690,692) and a Browning 725 Sporting that while not as natural feeling as the Berettas felt better than the Guerini does for me, it feels like I'm fighting with it to get a good consistent mount when compared to other guns, hard to explain but other guns are just feeling more natural.

For instance with my hunting gun (Benelli SBEII) I can just pick it up, shut my brain off and the damn thing just shoots nicely for me. The Beretta's I've tried out felt a little slimmer than the Guerini and the Browning 725. Didn't take measurements so can't say that was absolutely the case.


I've had other guys who shoot Guerinis try it and they have no issues. So it may go up on the block here in the EE still debating a fair asking price I paid close to $6k after taxes so thinking $4k may be a place to start if I do decide to sell it off and go with something else. Still undecided, and I may be right out to lunch on the pricing I'm thinking of asking, if i do sell. Open to your thoughts on that as well, gun again is a Caesar Guerini Magnus Sporting, no marks or scratches or anything like that. Round count stands around 1500 if I had to hazard a guess.
 
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"For instance with my hunting gun (Benelli SBEII) I can just pick it up, shut my brain off and the damn thing just shoots nicely for me. "

If you're Benelli fits you that well, why aren't you looking at a Supersport or a Legacy for busting birds?
 
Maritime Storm said:
"For instance with my hunting gun (Benelli SBEII) I can just pick it up, shut my brain off and the damn thing just shoots nicely for me. "

If you're Benelli fits you that well, why aren't you looking at a Supersport or a Legacy for busting birds?
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I really like over/unders for a variety of reasons that while not entirely practical play a role in my desire to shoot one just as well. I like the way they look pure and simple, and am sucker for traditional styling and great woodwork.

Would just really like to find one that shoots as well for me as the SBE II.
 
Both C G that I have shot in the near past have fairly thick comb check areas an adjustable might create enough cast off and not bump you. And check your gun mount in a mirror
 
I'm sure it's not exclusive, but I've found incorrect LOP (or perceived LOP with bad stance) to be the prominent reason for slapping.
 
Going to have some more experienced shooters watch me shoot later this week and see if they can pick up on anything I'm doing wrong with my mount and how I'm moving the gun.
 
Devlin said:
Going to have some more experienced shooters watch me shoot later this week and see if they can pick up on anything I'm doing wrong with my mount and how I'm moving the gun.
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Try video on a smart phone.

Kay Ohye, one of the greats of trapshooting, says that the stock isn't too short unless you are poking yourself in the nose. Many people shoot a stock which is longer than necessary.

The vast majority of cheek slap problems that I come across are a pitch issue.
 
adamg said:
Shibby, what's your rule of thumb? Two fingers between strong hand thumb (wrapped around wrist of stock) and nose?
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No rule. I've heard the ~1" from cheek to thumb rule quoted before.

Beretta687EELL said:
Try video on a smart phone.

Kay Ohye, one of the greats of trapshooting, says that the stock isn't too short unless you are poking yourself in the nose. Many people shoot a stock which is longer than necessary.

The vast majority of cheek slap problems that I come across are a pitch issue.
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As noted, I'm not the one to give direction, but I know for sure that holding any gun with my thumb poking my nose would be very uncomfortable. Or my nose touching my cheek. I do have a long neck.

I've noticed if my gun is slapping, adding a larger pad (from .75 to .9") has solved the issue on two shotguns. Minor change, big improvement. I have an adjustable stock so I can work out some of the other fit issues through adjustment.

I will end this saying I also don't think many people hold their guns correctly (stance) which then makes gun fitment and advice even harder to provide.

Once again, consider it's free advice, but I feel people should square their shoulders more to the target, and put much more weight on the front foot. Similar to a goofy looking pistol stance, it seems to just work. Most people who are 50/50 foot weighted, or worse, weighting their rear foot, I bet have more issues, or different issues with fitment, etc.

I "step" into my gun when shouldering it. I also go further than most with almost all my weight on the front foot, but that's just me and don't advise doing the same.


This:

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vs this:

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Here is another good example:

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Looks like a little bit of cast off would bring you right where you want to be. I pattern at 21 yards with a skeet choke. I use a steel plate white washed the same as you have, but I will fire 4-5 shots at one time, which gives me a good idea of where the center of the pattern is. My personal preference is a slightly high pattern (60/40) and I like to see a fair amount of rib when I shoot. The most important think is that the gun shoots where you look when you mount the gun. I don't aim the gun when I pattern, I mount it, point it and pull the trigger. If I aim it, the tendency is to start to move your head around to adjust, and you start to defeat the purpose of the exercise.
As for the original question of an adjustable stock...definitely. I would not be without one.
 
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