patterning Norinco's 12 ga - 14"

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Just to see what happens, I set up a 15 " diameter target on white paper and from 50 feet away, wasted a dozen 2-3/4 pheasant loads (2-3/4 1-1/4 oz #6) and got an average of 80 inside the circle. Wasting one more shell by cutting it open, showed the ball count was 250, give or take one or six that got away. That means about 35% are hitting inside the circle. When I checked Chuckhawk's pages however, I find that #6 lead shot weighs-in at 225 per ounce which should mean the test shells have 280 pellets instead of the 250 I counted. Is there something I'm missing - like maybe the 1-1/4 ounce payload marked on Remington's shell includes the weight of the wad and that's why there are less balls? Or, do I need to pull a few more shells apart, but do it before beer call to see if I get a better count?
 
I think you have better ways to waster your time then that.

You planning on using a 14" bbl to hunt birds? If so, maybe you have a reason to lose sleep, if not, why worry about patterning with bird shot if your using your gun for a camp/defense gun????
 
There is this really neat invention for shotguns you may have heard about...

It's called removable chokes. :p

You don't need a 28" + barrel to hunt things that fly...you need chokes.
 
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Use the "actual" pellet count of your load.

The number of pellets per ounce can vary due to the alloy content
of the pellet and the "real" diameter of the pellets & variations in size
from one to another.

The number of pellets inside your pattern circle, divided by the actual
number of pellets in the load is your pattern percentage.

Traditionally, the number of pellets within a 30" circle at precisely
40 yards (120 feet) is the standard for pattern percentages, for
all but .410 bore shotgun, which is patterned at 25 yards.

A 30 percent pattern at 16.66 yards is pretty thin !
 
My point is how many people use a 14" bbl shotgun for game? Most have it for a camp/defense gun in which case, what does patterning with bird shot matter? esp if your getting picky about advertised pellet count vs actual?
 
Thanks for the input chaps. As a relative newbie to shotgunning, what interested me was finding out what the best effective range is in case I wanted to bag woodcock or quail. I agree that using a shortie for birds is not the best, but IMHO it's always good to know the limitations of a gun no matter what the intended purpose. My intention for this easy-to-carry little guy is to take it along when I go salmon fishing on the North Shore in the fall. Black bear can be pesky on the river and they're getting braver every year so my plan is to pack a few slugs for those guys and also take some birdshot along.
 
Test it for everything and then decide what you can get away with. I have chokes on my 12.5" 870 and I would love to know the limitations with each choke. Still going to be a water bottle blaster but why not know all there is to each set up.
 
Going back to the pellet count, which I know Echo4Lima thinks is a waste of time; but if it's true that the count can vary as Beretta Boy suggests, then it can't be by very much otherwise you'd never get a comparable hit percentage. If I do put a choke on this baby, how much choke do you suggest, bearing in mind that I'll also shoot slugs through it? Is there another after market device for controlling pattern?
 
You can't put a 'fixed' choke INTO a shotgun. You'll need to get it tapped for screw in chokes. You'll be able to use any choke for the system you get installed.

Getting a barrel turned for chokes should be about $100, plus cost of chokes. I'd go RemChoke...
 
Hasbin said:
Going back to the pellet count, which I know Echo4Lima thinks is a waste of time; but if it's true that the count can vary as Beretta Boy suggests, then it can't be by very much otherwise you'd never get a comparable hit percentage. If I do put a choke on this baby, how much choke do you suggest, bearing in mind that I'll also shoot slugs through it? Is there another after market device for controlling pattern?
Click to expand...

I put a modified into my HP9-1 and I also bought a cylinder. Slugs, buckshot and birdshot all seem OK with the modified.
 
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