PCC pick of the litter?
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Nothing semi auto is safe. Beyond that, it's really hard to say.
The pattern is they want to ban all guns, but they have been picking off the easy targets first because it generates less pushback among the public. They started with black rifles (aka - Weapons of War...) in 2020. Then moved on to whatever NR black rifles didn't get hit in 2020 along with almost every PCC available last week.
Look at the FRT tables, there are lots of guns left to demonize and target. Once post here said all semi-auto shotguns, along with very restrictive barrel length limits for manual action shotguns and rimfire rifles. Black lever action rifles also seem like a ripe target, with the pistol cartridge ones boasting double digit mag capacities (imagine the horror) and SCARY looks.
Nothing is safe, there is supposed to be another OIC in February that will target the stuff I mentioned above. If you can afford it I suggest buying what you want now, because it simply may not be available in the future, regardless what happens politically.
Mark
There are, in my view, some overarching sentiments that should help us to consider future buying decisions:
1. As long as this Liberal government are in power (with the days ticking down), they will and have always been an enemy of the firearms community. They can spew some tripe about still supporting hunters, etc., but as the old adage goes, actions speak louder than words. I have long adopted the high level position that no gun is safe, regardless what I personally may think about certain makes models. There is a danger in looking over a list and breathing a sigh of relief thinking that somehow our guns survived this round. If we all keep in mind what the end game is, we won't have the rose coloured glasses thinking that we can somehow outfox these dictators, who control both the legislative, executive regulatory machinery as well as the messenger (media) with a highly biased and tainted message which is not aligned with the values of our community.
2. Aside from what has been banned in 2020 and last week, look at the common characteristics - yes, it is mostly aesthetics, but the government's new "evergreen" provision in C21 provides some clues as to their criteria (I was going to say thinking, but that's way too generous to ascribe to the government). So consider that since last year, new makes and models will NOT be allowed that are semi auto, centerfire, and have detachable mag natively holding more than 5 or whatever - the whole pinned/riveted exemption is gone) If that is their standard going forward, they are now just going backwards and culling everything else. Again, we have to keep in mind their overall strategy if you want to look at patterns.
3. Pure aesthetics. Otherwise, how can they justify removing the GSG-16? That one doesn't fall into their "evergreen" definition, but as most people realize, it is purely aesthetics for these non-firearms dummies that somehow are now the "experts". Whether you have a shotgun, lever, semi auto rimfire, pump, hinge or whatever - if it is black and looks modern - be wary, because the people doing these assessments won't know the difference. I suggest manufacturers will pivot towards more traditional looking guns for the Canadian market (at least Canadian manufacturers will, whoever is left.
4. As long as this government is in power, be aware of functional alternatives and assume the risk/reward. Be prepared that what you may feel is safe today will get banned in February. Will a traditional bolt action be banned in February? Possible but unlikely. How about a pump action shotgun with a tube mag or a lever action rifle with a tube mag? Again, possible, but unlikely. It all comes down to the same old risk/reward calculation, in keeping in mind their evergreen characteristics and attributes.
You ask about semi-auto shotguns. That one I don't know. I do think some models, based on aesthetics, has a very high likelihood of being banned in some way (and that is said being the owner of one of them). Other ones - very common waterfowl hunting SAs - less than likely, but with semi-auto anything - the ignoramuses who are advising the government couldn't tell you the different a semi-auto and a semi-colon. These people don't employ common sense, don't have any appreciation for empirical and objective facts, and couldn't give a monkey's armpit about cultural heritage and way of life. There is also a very distinctly anti-male nuance to all these decisions - just look at who they had during the announcement last Thursday. Whether it's the Poly "women", the Cukiers, the Damoff types - they project a position, even if it is not overtly spoken, that gun owners are somehow a threat to females.
There are some semi auto older surplus-type guns which both Poly and the media continue to ask about - Trudeau will likely capitulate to these people and give them what they want in due course to try to leave on a note in which he can brag about accomplishing this and that. Some may be more wary to be in this market. This came out in the Q&A from the media last Thursday...and the Polys have certain guns on their hitlist.
But on the other hand, here's the thing. It is very possible that all of this nonsense can be reversed in due course. Clearly with what just happened stateside, the electorate as a whole has given a straight repudiation of leftist, woke, progressive policies. It is inevitable that Trudeau will be out by next election and I believe the CPC will have a majority. Hopefully by then common sense will prevail and the decisions we make today to continue to buy whatever guns we can, will be rewarded with more freedom for us to enjoy not only what we still have, but what the Liberals have banned for the past number of years.
They did discuss the justification of increased domestic violence during the announcement. They are throwing everything at this that they can conjur up.
If I had a budget to consider and with the information that is out on a potential ban and magazine capacity restrictions the safest bet would be to purchase what is allowed now in the UK/AUS/NZ with some small exceptions. If they have it there it probably would be safe longer term here.
To me that sounds like a bolt gun, manual action, single or double barrel shotgun, all with lengths above 18" and capacities 5 rounds or under. Very disheartening and I'm still buying what's left out there in spite of that real possibility. Death by 1,000 cuts has been a better attack on us then a single blow in 2020. I haven't gotten to the mental point of what if the above is what's left and I had to buy X yet so stay hopeful everyone.
To me that sounds like a bolt gun, manual action, single or double barrel shotgun, all with lengths above 18" and capacities 5 rounds or under. Very disheartening and I'm still buying what's left out there in spite of that real possibility. Death by 1,000 cuts has been a better attack on us then a single blow in 2020. I haven't gotten to the mental point of what if the above is what's left and I had to buy X yet so stay hopeful everyone.
1.2% of intimate partner violence involved fire arms. When NAWL talks about it they make it seem like it a massive issue.
i get it.... even one is too many but the reality is firearms is not the problem.
source https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/241024/dq241024b-eng.htm
Totally understand the position, and I think for many people, that is a prudent and logical position to take. That said, we all know a new government is rolling in, with a leader who has stated that he will reverse these attacks on our community. To what extent this will be and how pervasive any changes will take place remains to be seen, but I for one am hopeful and optimistic of better days ahead.
I just bought another firearm yesterday that some have explicitly told me I am a fool for buying as it is likely something that will likely be captured in the next wave of bans next February. Maybe, maybe not. But with Fall 2025 not that far away, I will take my chances at this point. What we do have that the UK/Aus/NZ does not at this point is still some availability to a greater selection (albeit dwindling) of firearms at the present time. If my new purchase gets banned in two months, I'll patiently wait till the next election and see if my patience will be rewarded and I get to use some (if not all) of my recently prohibited firearms again.
Going to the club this weekend is like being invited to a dinner party only to realize that all my suits no longer fit as I have been eating too much apple pie and potato chips and so I'm scouring through my closet looking for something that will work though by no means ideal. I am hoping that later next year, with the election over, that it will be akin to me losing all that weight and look ma, I can choose between a variety of suits again and wear what I want.
I bought 3 rifles since the ban and am gonna enjoy the crap out of them for as long as I’m legally able to do so. I had zero rifles left to be able to use after this latest assault on our way of life. Looking at the ammo I reloaded and having nothing to use it with was a downer so I did some retail therapy that very well may go against me but I’ll get some usage and I now own more of what the Cons hopefully will do right by.
