PCMR/RMR win94 30-30
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After a quick search I found a sight called Nambu World, which had an excelent artical on the PCMR. The rifle I have looks identical to the one described and pictured on that sight, including the "home-made" forward sling mount, and squared-off uncapped forestock. I have been told in the pass by a man who has done a lot of research into the WW2 BC ranger units that the Rocky Mountain Rangers never were issued mod 94 30-30. Wheather this is true or not, My grandpa was 2nd batt RMR, stationed in Trail, BC during the war. The rifle that I grew up with was "This is Grandpa's rifle from when he was in the rangers so take care of it". My dad still has this rifle. There are a few small differences from the one that I have. Dads/Grandpas rifle has a metal cap on the for stock and there no sling mount band behind the barrel band nor is there wood removed indicating that there was one there in the first place. Dads rifle's SN checked out as a 1942 build and it has a C-broad arrow on the left side of the reciever. I think these rifles are a interesting part of Canadian milsurp history. If any one knows more on these rifles please add. Thanks RF
After a quick search I found a sight called Nambu World, which had an excelent artical on the PCMR. The rifle I have looks identical to the one described and pictured on that sight, including the "home-made" forward sling mount, and squared-off uncapped forestock. I have been told in the pass by a man who has done a lot of research into the WW2 BC ranger units that the Rocky Mountain Rangers never were issued mod 94 30-30. Wheather this is true or not, My grandpa was 2nd batt RMR, stationed in Trail, BC during the war. The rifle that I grew up with was "This is Grandpa's rifle from when he was in the rangers so take care of it". My dad still has this rifle. There are a few small differences from the one that I have. Dads/Grandpas rifle has a metal cap on the for stock and there no sling mount band behind the barrel band nor is there wood removed indicating that there was one there in the first place. Dads rifle's SN checked out as a 1942 build and it has a C-broad arrow on the left side of the reciever. I think these rifles are a interesting part of Canadian milsurp history. If any one knows more on these rifles please add. Thanks RF
Does it have a C-broad arrow stamped on it? Can you put up any pictures? There was a fairly extensive thread about PCMR rifles on here a little while ago.
There are no recorded serial number ranges so far as I know, but Library and Archives Canada does have the sales receipts of some of the rifles in their records. When the PCMR was disbanded, members were given the opportunity to buy their rifle for $10. Most sales weren't recorded though.
There are no recorded serial number ranges so far as I know, but Library and Archives Canada does have the sales receipts of some of the rifles in their records. When the PCMR was disbanded, members were given the opportunity to buy their rifle for $10. Most sales weren't recorded though.
- Location
- Winnipeg,Man.
the issued Winchesters for the PCMR were about 2500 in number and had the serial numbers in the 1,300,000 range. these guns are described in detail in the article I have, but the RMR rifles are not mentioned. The PCMR Winchesters are marked with the broad arrow on the left side of the action, forearm and buttstock. After disbandment, the rifles could be bought for $5 by the members they were issued to. Many of the rifles had no forward band swivel and there was an array of swivels issued. Uncapped forearms were the norm for the Carbines as only 26 inch barrelled rifles had these.
the name Rocky Mountain rangers may have arisen from the PCMR who when divided into companies, were given numerical designation ( ie company 2). They also were named after the location where they worked. Some names included...Vancouver island Groups of Alberni Rangers, Saanich Rangers, Cowichan Rangers and Southern Vancouver Island Rangers, Hollyburn Rangers and West Point Grey Rangers.
the name Rocky Mountain rangers may have arisen from the PCMR who when divided into companies, were given numerical designation ( ie company 2). They also were named after the location where they worked. Some names included...Vancouver island Groups of Alberni Rangers, Saanich Rangers, Cowichan Rangers and Southern Vancouver Island Rangers, Hollyburn Rangers and West Point Grey Rangers.
re BC rangers
"the name Rocky Mountain rangers may have arisen from the PCMR who when divided into companies, were given numerical designation ( ie company 2). They also were named after the location where they worked. Some names included...Vancouver island Groups of Alberni Rangers, Saanich Rangers, Cowichan Rangers and Southern Vancouver Island Rangers, Hollyburn Rangers and West Point Grey Rangers."[/QUOTE]
I will also post pictures of my grandpa's baggage ID tag that states among other personal info: "RMR 2nd batt, Rossland, BC", and a picture of him in full military field dress. From what I have read the militia units did not have an official uniform.
BTW I am reading an excellent book called War on Our Doorstep a must for any one interested in Canadian history.
"the name Rocky Mountain rangers may have arisen from the PCMR who when divided into companies, were given numerical designation ( ie company 2). They also were named after the location where they worked. Some names included...Vancouver island Groups of Alberni Rangers, Saanich Rangers, Cowichan Rangers and Southern Vancouver Island Rangers, Hollyburn Rangers and West Point Grey Rangers."[/QUOTE]
I will also post pictures of my grandpa's baggage ID tag that states among other personal info: "RMR 2nd batt, Rossland, BC", and a picture of him in full military field dress. From what I have read the militia units did not have an official uniform.
BTW I am reading an excellent book called War on Our Doorstep a must for any one interested in Canadian history.
It should have the C broad arrow stamp on the receiver, butt stock and foreend. The should all look the same and be all on the same side. Serial number range for PCMR 1894's should be 1,33x,###.
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- Republic of Alberta
It sounds like your dad might have an M.64 if it has a forend cap.
PCMR or RMR were issued Marlin M.1936s and Winchester M.94 & M.64s. The M.64 and M.1936s have 24" barrels and pistol grip stocks.
- Location
- Winnipeg,Man.
The PCMR were issued Enfield P1917 30-06, Lee-Enfield 303,30-30 Winchester carbines and Marlin 30-30 carbines. About 2500 m94s and unknown number of m64s...1800 Marlins were issued. the Winchesters were stamped on the left side and the Marlins the right side. Several Marlins stamped thus have been here on CGN.
In the early years of the enlistment, the men wore an arm band over civilian clothes and later with uniforms that were denim, water repellant"dry back"uniform with a tunic designed to be a coverall for civilian dress. The second issue was denim but in "battle dress" style.
the carbine you have would most likely be a M64 as they had a metal nosecap on the forearm. Model # should be stamped on the barrel.
In the early years of the enlistment, the men wore an arm band over civilian clothes and later with uniforms that were denim, water repellant"dry back"uniform with a tunic designed to be a coverall for civilian dress. The second issue was denim but in "battle dress" style.
the carbine you have would most likely be a M64 as they had a metal nosecap on the forearm. Model # should be stamped on the barrel.
In August 1942 the Canadian government placed an order to Winchester for 2500 Model 94's in .30 caliber carbines for military use. Much like the 1800 Spruce Guns the US government had ordered back in 1917. The Canadian Pacific Coast Military Rangers took delivery of of the 2500 carbines. The serial number range seem to be 1,318,000 - 1,342,500.
A few years ago they were quite common to come across but the demand in the collecting of Canadian Military and Winchesters has made them rather scarce. The price range depending on condition is between $600 -$900CDN. They go about the same in the US as they are not as interested in Canadian history as they are in US history.
RK
A few years ago they were quite common to come across but the demand in the collecting of Canadian Military and Winchesters has made them rather scarce. The price range depending on condition is between $600 -$900CDN. They go about the same in the US as they are not as interested in Canadian history as they are in US history.
RK
This could be a Model 94 short rifle. They are some time mistaken for carbines. The only thing is that short rifles were not made in '42. Also there were other Winchesters marked with broad arrows.
RK
