PCMR Winchester 94 - End of a feud

Jayne

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Hi all,

Last week I inherited a 1942, Winchester 94. It was issued to my great-grandfather when he joined the Pacific Coast Militia Rangers in 1942. It has been in my family ever since and was the subject of a longstanding "disagreement" between my grandfather and my great-aunt dating back more than sixty years. More on that below, if anyone is interested. On to the rifle...

According to Bert from Gun Values board:
http://www.gunvaluesboard.com/manufacturing-date-for-pcmr-winchester-94-365599.html

The rifle was manufactured on May 26, 1942. The PCMR was the last formed military unit in history to issue lever action rifles to their troops.

You can read about the PCMR here:
http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/organization/specialforces/pcmr.htm
http://www.navalandmilitarymuseum.org/resource_pages/coastal_defence/pcmr.html
http://members.shaw.ca/nambuworld2/pcmr.htm

My great-grandfather was a member of No. 52 Company - Smithers.

Here are a few pictures:

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Family Feud

How the rifle got to me is a story unto itself. It is a bit long, but if you are interested, read on.

Cast:

Alfred (Jayne's mother's mother's father = great-grandfather)
Mary (Alfred's oldest daughter, Jayne's maternal grandmother)
Harry (Mary's husband, Jayne's maternal grandfather)
Joyce (Alfred's youngest daughter, Jayne's great-aunt)
Doug (Joyce's husband, Jayne's great uncle)
Robert (Joyce's son, Jayne's first cousin - once removed)

So, Dec 7, 1941, the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbour. The people in BC were sure the Japanese were going to invade any day. They were very worried that there weren't enough troops to defend the province. Bending to public pressure, the government formed the Pacific Coast Militia Rangers, a stop gap measure.

The PCMR consisted of veterans of WWI, upstanding citizens and men too old or unfit for the regular army. My great-grandfather Alfred was the owner of the local lumber yard, deacon in the church and mayor. He was too old for WWII and had been unfit for duty in WWI due to a badly healed right arm (he broke it as a boy and it had healed crooked). He joined the PCMR in 1942 and was issued the rifle.

War never came to BC and when the war ended, Alfred bought the rifle for $5. He had it for a few years before giving it to Harry. Harry had been an RCAF military engineer throughout the war. He worked on the Alaska Highway and building airfields and telegraph lines throughout BC. He had been posted to the Smithers Detachment towards the end of the war and met Mary. When the war ended, they were married and he settled in Smithers.

Harry had the rifle for a few years. In the early 50s, Doug was working for BCTEL. He spent a lot of time in the bush and there were many grizzlies and black bears in the area. Joyce was concerned for his safety. Alfred asked Harry for the gun back.

The next step is the source of the feud. Harry said Alfred had asked him for the gun back to LEND it to Doug. Joyce said Alfred GAVE the gun to Doug.

In any event, Doug kept the gun. He used it for a few years. When he finished working in the bush, Harry asked for it back. Joyce refused (I don't know what Doug thought). She said her father had given it to Doug and it was theirs.

Alfred died in the early 70s without resolving the issue.

Doug died in the early 90s. Again, Harry asked for the gun back. Instead, Joyce gave the rifle to her son Rob. This led to considerable friction between Joyce and Harry.

Harry died in the 2002. To his death bed, he still wanted that gun back.

Fast forward to last week. I am home visiting my mother and Robert comes for a visit. I asked him about the gun. Robert is not a shooter. The gun has sat quietly, unused, in his closet since his dad died 25 years ago.

I explained to him, I don't care who gets the gun, I just want to make sure that it doesn't get turned in to the RCMP and destroyed. I told him, if no one else wanted it, I would like to have it.

Robert agreed I should have it but wanted to talk to Joyce. She says, "Jayne can have it when I am dead." Fortunately, Robert was more practical and insisted on giving it to me immediately. I brought it home with me yesterday.

Since Harry gave me all of his important guns, including his WWII service Lee-Enfield and a .32 calibre revolver given to him by a former BC Provincial Police officer, I am certain he would have left me my great-grandfather's rifle. We were very close. Neither of his sons were shooters and I followed his footsteps and became a RCAF military engineer.

So, 60+ years after this family feud began, we were able to bring it to a happy conclusion.

I have promised my mom and Joyce that when I am too old to care for it, I will pass it on to one of Alfred's other great-grandsons.

It has been a long time coming, but I am happy it turned out so well.

The rifle is in amazing shape. The barrel is pristine. The blueing is pretty good for a 72 year old rifle. The serial number matches the era and the Canadian Army "C-broad arrow" are bold and clear.

I am just happy to be its custodian for a little while.

TTYL

- Jayne
 
Very good story, and what a wonderful rifle! I'm glad it's in the hands of somebody who will take care of it, and is a family member.

Thanks for sharing that piece of Canadian history for us. Almost makes me want to bring out the 1916 production .38-55 Winchester 94 that belonged to a great-great grandfather as well, but that would require buying .38-55 and my pockets don't run that deep. Someday.
 
Love to hear a story like that. I shudder to think what happened to many nice old firearms when grandpa passed on.
 
Makes me wish I still had mine. Great story, and thanks for being kind enough to share it. Glad it is still in the family and not on the chopping block. We are losing too much history that way. Makes me sick.

Matt
 
From what I have read it would appear that Joyce was the source of the initial problem. Must be a crusty old gal to have that much influence over the men in her life. Glad her son was the voice of reason and you have a family heirloom to care for.
 
My grandfather was one of the early settlers in Smithers. Mother grew up there, on the farm. My father was in the RCAF and met mother while stationed in Pat Bay, BC.

My uncle was in the Rangers and bought his rifle, but he left it to a close family friend. It was pristine.

I am in Ontario now and have never seen a Ranger rifle here. It is a rifle I have always wanted to buy, but never had the chance.
 
From what I have read it would appear that Joyce was the source of the initial problem. Must be a crusty old gal to have that much influence over the men in her life. Glad her son was the voice of reason and you have a family heirloom to care for.

Hi FALover,

Like with most things to do with family, there is plenty of blame to go around.

In the first two decades of the feud, 1952 - 72, my great-grandfather was still alive. I am sure if he had asked Doug for the rifle back, there would have been no resistance, then he could have given it to whomever he liked. He has a son, Bob, who is still alive. He would have been the obvious heir and I am sure my grandfather Harry would have been ok with Bob having it. In fact, I am planning to leave it in my will to Bob's grandson.

For five years after that, 1972 - 77, my great-grandmother (Muriel) was still alive. She could have also ended the feud but didn't.

I am not sure why Joyce was so determined to keep the rifle. She had no interest in guns. Her son had no interest in guns. Even her three grandsons had no interest in guns. There may have been an element of older sister / younger sister rivalry to the issue, I really don't know. It doesn't really matter now.

The gun is safe from a trip to the RCMP chop saw and will be kept safe and appreciated.

I think ended the feud (25 years after Doug's death and 12 years after Harry's death) is a good thing and for that I am very grateful to my Auntie Joyce.

TTYL

- Jayne
 
Nice rifle and still has it's sling as well. One would think they would be worth more than they are but no doubt will be some day. Good to see it stay in the family, it is part of your history.
 
Glad the family issue surrounding this PCMR carbine got resolved. Especially since it now goes to a direct relative with an interest in both the history & the gun.

A perfect ending.

A very nice example, too, with nice crisp markings, correct sling & swivel set-up.

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Hi all,

Last week I inherited a 1942, Winchester 94. It was issued to my great-grandfather when he joined the Pacific Coast Militia Rangers in 1942. It has been in my family ever since and was the subject of a longstanding "disagreement" between my grandfather and my great-aunt dating back more than sixty years. More on that below, if anyone is interested. On to the rifle...

According to Bert from Gun Values board:
http://www.gunvaluesboard.com/manufacturing-date-for-pcmr-winchester-94-365599.html

The rifle was manufactured on May 26, 1942. The PCMR was the last formed military unit in history to issue lever action rifles to their troops.

You can read about the PCMR here:
http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/organization/specialforces/pcmr.htm
http://www.navalandmilitarymuseum.org/resource_pages/coastal_defence/pcmr.html
http://members.shaw.ca/nambuworld2/pcmr.htm

My great-grandfather was a member of No. 52 Company - Smithers.

Here are a few pictures:

IMG_4656_zpsd50265ef.jpg


IMG_4655_zps6f74be5e.jpg


IMG_4665_zps93904d91.jpg


IMG_4660_zps04f9a8c9.jpg


IMG_4659_zps17b4a793.jpg


IMG_4657_zpsbfa3f01a.jpg



Family Feud

How the rifle got to me is a story unto itself. It is a bit long, but if you are interested, read on.

Cast:

Alfred (Jayne's mother's mother's father = great-grandfather)
Mary (Alfred's oldest daughter, Jayne's maternal grandmother)
Harry (Mary's husband, Jayne's maternal grandfather)
Joyce (Alfred's youngest daughter, Jayne's great-aunt)
Doug (Joyce's husband, Jayne's great uncle)
Robert (Joyce's son, Jayne's first cousin - once removed)

So, Dec 7, 1941, the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbour. The people in BC were sure the Japanese were going to invade any day. They were very worried that there weren't enough troops to defend the province. Bending to public pressure, the government formed the Pacific Coast Militia Rangers, a stop gap measure.

The PCMR consisted of veterans of WWI, upstanding citizens and men too old or unfit for the regular army. My great-grandfather Alfred was the owner of the local lumber yard, deacon in the church and mayor. He was too old for WWII and had been unfit for duty in WWI due to a badly healed right arm (he broke it as a boy and it had healed crooked). He joined the PCMR in 1942 and was issued the rifle.

War never came to BC and when the war ended, Alfred bought the rifle for $5. He had it for a few years before giving it to Harry. Harry had been an RCAF military engineer throughout the war. He worked on the Alaska Highway and building airfields and telegraph lines throughout BC. He had been posted to the Smithers Detachment towards the end of the war and met Mary. When the war ended, they were married and he settled in Smithers.

Harry had the rifle for a few years. In the early 50s, Doug was working for BCTEL. He spent a lot of time in the bush and there were many grizzlies and black bears in the area. Joyce was concerned for his safety. Alfred asked Harry for the gun back.

The next step is the source of the feud. Harry said Alfred had asked him for the gun back to LEND it to Doug. Joyce said Alfred GAVE the gun to Doug.

In any event, Doug kept the gun. He used it for a few years. When he finished working in the bush, Harry asked for it back. Joyce refused (I don't know what Doug thought). She said her father had given it to Doug and it was theirs.

Alfred died in the early 70s without resolving the issue.

Doug died in the early 90s. Again, Harry asked for the gun back. Instead, Joyce gave the rifle to her son Rob. This led to considerable friction between Joyce and Harry.

Harry died in the 2002. To his death bed, he still wanted that gun back.

Fast forward to last week. I am home visiting my mother and Robert comes for a visit. I asked him about the gun. Robert is not a shooter. The gun has sat quietly, unused, in his closet since his dad died 25 years ago.

I explained to him, I don't care who gets the gun, I just want to make sure that it doesn't get turned in to the RCMP and destroyed. I told him, if no one else wanted it, I would like to have it.

Robert agreed I should have it but wanted to talk to Joyce. She says, "Jayne can have it when I am dead." Fortunately, Robert was more practical and insisted on giving it to me immediately. I brought it home with me yesterday.

Since Harry gave me all of his important guns, including his WWII service Lee-Enfield and a .32 calibre revolver given to him by a former BC Provincial Police officer, I am certain he would have left me my great-grandfather's rifle. We were very close. Neither of his sons were shooters and I followed his footsteps and became a RCAF military engineer.

So, 60+ years after this family feud began, we were able to bring it to a happy conclusion.

I have promised my mom and Joyce that when I am too old to care for it, I will pass it on to one of Alfred's other great-grandsons.

It has been a long time coming, but I am happy it turned out so well.

The rifle is in amazing shape. The barrel is pristine. The blueing is pretty good for a 72 year old rifle. The serial number matches the era and the Canadian Army "C-broad arrow" are bold and clear.

I am just happy to be its custodian for a little while.

TTYL

- Jayne

I'm thinkin wherever Alfred is right now, he's smiling and Doug is sittin beside him with an equally sized grin :D
good for you and thx for the story.
 
I am sooooooooo jealous!! :D That is an awsome gun with an awsome story! Put it in writing for future stewards of the gun. Congrats!
4x4junkie
 
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