Pertinence of rear support/rests/bags

Bags are just another tool in your "bag of tricks" to get the most enjoyment out of your rifle.

I love analogy, so here goes:"Refusing to use a rear bag is like saying that real men only use combination wrenches, sockets are for sissies. Back in the good old days we all used crescent wrenches (left-handed at that!)."
 
Here's another analogy for you: A shooter using rear bags is like a 4th hitter in baseball using steroids to hit the ball further and hit a homerun.

Remember, this was only supposed to be in the perspective of how good a shooter really is. I understand that rear bags/support are usefull, heck, i use one myself, but is it really indicative of how good the human factor of the equation is? I think not, but that's open for duscussion, and that was the point of the thread. Heck, some guys shoot 1000m with nothing else than a few straps and a peepsight. I must say that those guys really impress me.
 
As I said, If rear bags are really the panacea you seem to think they are, all shooters would perform much the same with their use. They don't. Practice would become unnecessary. It isn't.
Technique and follow through etc. are just as important off bags as from the sling. Just different. Likewise, there is a significant difference between shooting off bags from the bench and off bags prone. Also I have had rifles which I could shoot better if I eschewed the use of the rear bag. It worked better when held.
Your opinion is much like that of the guy who, when looking at a particularily good target says, " Oh, you used a scope". Like that made all the difference and any klutz could have done the same thing under the same circumstances. In other words, it is a statement made out of ignorance from a position of ignorance. Your opinion falls into the same category. I have most often seen this opinion voiced by "F" class shooters who, while not using a rear bag, just got their ass kicked by someone who was. Regards, Bill.
 
Canuck I hear what you are saying and to a certain extent agree, There are many ways to test the man behind the bolt. When shooting competition,(from what I understand) the playing field is made level so all shooters are shooting within a set of equal guidelines with no unfair advantages so is still a way to test the man behind the bolt. For testing myself and to see what I can do I agree with you totally Hands on no help.....its the most honest of answers. To see what a rifle is capable of with very little human input would be a locked in rest. There are many diciplines of shooting and many ways to shoot and each of us will fall into a catagory that apeals to us. Some like football, some like basketball, some like Xbox. Same thing with rifles, whats important is that we have a great time doing it and the real challenge should be impressing and improving ourselves and not worrying about the guy at the next bench on a vice. He's probably the one telling us what the best load is for our rifle and what a bullet will do where.;)

Just an opinion
 
TheCanuck said:
Here's another analogy for you: A shooter using rear bags is like a 4th hitter in baseball using steroids to hit the ball further and hit a homerun.

Remember, this was only supposed to be in the perspective of how good a shooter really is. I understand that rear bags/support are usefull, heck, i use one myself, but is it really indicative of how good the human factor of the equation is? I think not, but that's open for duscussion, and that was the point of the thread. Heck, some guys shoot 1000m with nothing else than a few straps and a peepsight. I must say that those guys really impress me.
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There are certain thingss that have to be ddone to properly ise a rear bag, also.
I have seen a lot of bad form from shooters on the line when using aa rrwar bag, and the ddifference can be drastic wheen looking at a target that was shot without proper bag technique and looking at a target by the same
shooter after some instruction on how to set up a rear bag system of shooting.
Steroids in baseball, BTW, are inliegal, but rear bags are not, depending on the type of shooting competition.
Cat
 
Without the use of a rear bag the muzzle will float out there, the bag will get rid of this for the most part. Then its wind which will mess you up most after that. Pull the trigger at the right time with the best wind dialed in and your set.
I found that trying to estimate the wind every shot takes too much time. Get an average dialed in ,then use Kentucky(mildot)windage to get it near the center.Also the bipod will have some play for and aft, get that the same each time.
2 cents worth maybe:D
Frank
 
I don't think this kind of shooting interests me or seems like much fun. However, I've never tried it so how can I judge. As far as I'm concerned, if you like it, then go for it. The nice thing is the variety of styles and disciplines available. There is something out there for everyone.
 
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