With an equal scope, which would you prefer for long distance? Under range conditions of course. They are in the same price range so I am wondering which is better, patriotism aside. I like the DSR-1 myself but I am basing that on looks!
PGW Timberwolf VS. DSR-1
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The DSR is full of easy adjustment knobs and toggles. This makes it great if you like to go out to the range and spend some time adjusting the rifle to fit your shooting position. If you want to drag it through the weeds, and sand, these adjustment points will quickly jam up, and/or loose setting.
Accuracy wise the two are likely comparable, for shooting comfort, the DSR is more adjustable, but some may prefer the more conventional stock on the Timberwolf.
Accuracy wise the two are likely comparable, for shooting comfort, the DSR is more adjustable, but some may prefer the more conventional stock on the Timberwolf.
I voted for the PGW, sorry but it's impossible for me to seperate the rifle from the guys who use it. To me it's the tool of choice for the best real world shooters on the planet, the fact that those shooters happen to be Canadian and that the rifle is too, well that's just icing on the cake.
Glock4ever
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I voted PGW - I like the way it looks better then the DSR-1, other then that my opinion means spit as I haven't ever shot either.
I wish the people voting for the PGW would elaborate as to why. No offense intended but I am getting the impression it is more patriotism than experience. I really doubt the DSR-1 is as robust, but I hear the accuracy it offers is extreme.
Mystic Precision
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If the DSR was a semi, I would give it the thumbs up. Not sure how well you can shuck shells with the bolt behind your ear. Don't know never tried and likely never will.
Like Redleg mentioned, I am concerned that all those holes, and accessories hanging in the wind are going to get hung real fast during a creep. Urban deployment, the bullpup would certainly have its advantages for compactness.
The ability to house a nice long pipe without getting musket length is a huge plus.
Not crazy heavy so shooting positions besides prone would be practical. But the PGW balances really well so this is a tie. Pity that all this 'tech' can't figure out how to make a sniper rig weigh 10lbs all in (most certainly possible, just no one seems to want to build them that way).
I am also not so excited about the Blaser 2. That open foreend, target style grip, comb and buttplate just beg to get snagged on something. Considering how often I use the open forend style on my rifles, it is not a bad thing. Just not a feature I would want on this type of application.
I love that manf are understanding the importance of stock ergonomics. But making this adjustable with a knob is just asking for trouble. Make things adjustable but use a bolt to lock everything in place. One rifle/One shooter - set it up, bolt it tight.
As for accuracy, there are so MANY ways to get 1/2 min field accuracy that doesn't require mega dollar rigs. The accuracy these rifles offer is nothing out of the ordinary today.
But if the market is willing to pay......
Jerry
Like Redleg mentioned, I am concerned that all those holes, and accessories hanging in the wind are going to get hung real fast during a creep. Urban deployment, the bullpup would certainly have its advantages for compactness.
The ability to house a nice long pipe without getting musket length is a huge plus.
Not crazy heavy so shooting positions besides prone would be practical. But the PGW balances really well so this is a tie. Pity that all this 'tech' can't figure out how to make a sniper rig weigh 10lbs all in (most certainly possible, just no one seems to want to build them that way).
I am also not so excited about the Blaser 2. That open foreend, target style grip, comb and buttplate just beg to get snagged on something. Considering how often I use the open forend style on my rifles, it is not a bad thing. Just not a feature I would want on this type of application.
I love that manf are understanding the importance of stock ergonomics. But making this adjustable with a knob is just asking for trouble. Make things adjustable but use a bolt to lock everything in place. One rifle/One shooter - set it up, bolt it tight.
As for accuracy, there are so MANY ways to get 1/2 min field accuracy that doesn't require mega dollar rigs. The accuracy these rifles offer is nothing out of the ordinary today.
But if the market is willing to pay......
Jerry
I'd go DRS-1 hands down for many reasons.
Tighter chamber: since the guy spending $10,000 isn't going to be playing mud warrior on weekends also for reloading it's tough/impossible finding bushing dies that will give you 2thou neck tension on a battle rifle chamber. That's something a lot of guys don't think of which is actually quite important.
Bullpup design: leaps and bounds ahead of a conventional rifle.
Walther bbl: enough said
adjustability: everywhere. The rear mono-pod design is amazing. I'd love to incorporate that into everyone of my guns.
Looks: Nothing comes close for that type of StarWars look, but practicle too.
Barrel Swapability: another impressive invention
JR is lucky I don't sell these guns because it would be so easy.
Tighter chamber: since the guy spending $10,000 isn't going to be playing mud warrior on weekends also for reloading it's tough/impossible finding bushing dies that will give you 2thou neck tension on a battle rifle chamber. That's something a lot of guys don't think of which is actually quite important.
Bullpup design: leaps and bounds ahead of a conventional rifle.
Walther bbl: enough said
adjustability: everywhere. The rear mono-pod design is amazing. I'd love to incorporate that into everyone of my guns.
Looks: Nothing comes close for that type of StarWars look, but practicle too.
Barrel Swapability: another impressive invention
JR is lucky I don't sell these guns because it would be so easy.
Mystic Precision
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Do you actually feed ammo from a mag with 2 thou neck tension? Braver man then I.
And I do not recommend a tight chamber for any rifle designed to see weather
How thick is condensation? Might surprise you...
And I am sure you know that water is not compressible under pressure.
Hope you guys are working hard on those boomers for next LR shoot. We are going to try 15" plates at 2400yds!!!!
Be great if some 308 would smack the plate....
Jerry
I'd say DSR-1 for that edge in accuracy (plus I'm a Euro gear nut), but damn it if that Canadian flag engraving on the PGW action don't make me think twice, as well as its adoption by the military.
It's really a draw; in Peter Griffin's words it'd be "like asking me to choose between Sarah Jessica Parker and Kirsten Dunst in a "hot body, weird face" contest, it can't be done."
It's really a draw; in Peter Griffin's words it'd be "like asking me to choose between Sarah Jessica Parker and Kirsten Dunst in a "hot body, weird face" contest, it can't be done."
I'll take the option of having 2 thou neck tention, which I do have on my 308 and 338LM AI, anyday over 6 thou + using the largest bushings Redding offers.
I'm here to tell you that I haven't blow up either gun yet and my guns aren't safe queens. You get a whole new appreciation for burn'n ammo when you can write it off. New barrels are easier to swallow too.
As for new guns for next year, I'll be running a 50 next year along with smaller calibers and there won't be any shortage of ammo. I hear there might be a certain Blue Volkswagen Rabbit making a last appearence also which should prove to be enlightening...
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I'd chose the DSR-1. For a couple of reasons.
1) bull pup design. Vs the tried and true of the Timberwolf design. I have lots of conventional rifles.
2) Accuracy/reviews (Some counts of 1/4 moa with the DSR-1, not just .5)
3) As for sniper rifles and the best in the world etc etc. The Germans had a sniper program before we even knew what a sniper was.
4) Collectability.
My uses would be for the range/distance shooting. No worries about dirt etc. I'm not going into combat. Plus even if the rifle could take dirt/abuse, I'm not about to abuse a $10k investment.
Bottom line, the DSR-1 is more likely to be a collectors item in the future. I consider it the modern Walther 2000. If I had $10 K around I'd get one for sure.
1) bull pup design. Vs the tried and true of the Timberwolf design. I have lots of conventional rifles.
2) Accuracy/reviews (Some counts of 1/4 moa with the DSR-1, not just .5)
3) As for sniper rifles and the best in the world etc etc. The Germans had a sniper program before we even knew what a sniper was.
4) Collectability.
My uses would be for the range/distance shooting. No worries about dirt etc. I'm not going into combat. Plus even if the rifle could take dirt/abuse, I'm not about to abuse a $10k investment.
Bottom line, the DSR-1 is more likely to be a collectors item in the future. I consider it the modern Walther 2000. If I had $10 K around I'd get one for sure.
mebiuspower
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JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THIS THING HOW CAN YOU NOT BUY THIS PIECE OF GERMAN ENGINEERING.
Hope you guys are working hard on those boomers for next LR shoot. We are going to try 15" plates at 2400yds!!!!
Be great if some 308 would smack the plate....
Jerry[/QUOTE]
Jerry you might need two plates. One hanging verticle and one laying horizontal just below that one for the long bombers.
Be great if some 308 would smack the plate....
Jerry[/QUOTE]
Jerry you might need two plates. One hanging verticle and one laying horizontal just below that one for the long bombers.
I voted Timberwolf.
Oh yeah, I have one.
Why? I wanted a bolt gun, a rifle that's not too hard on the brass, and I liked what I saw.
Why would you want another one?
X2
Wasn't impressed with my Timberwolf at first but with the right optic and a couple hundred rounds of load trials I wouldn't change it for a DSR-1
I do not see myself dragging such a beast(DSR-1) at -30C in January hunting Elk in Labrador.
I do agree that it might become collectable as the Walter 2000 is right now.
I do still bite myself for not buying the one I tried 20 years ago
I voted Timberwolf.
Oh yeah, I have one.
Why? I wanted a bolt gun, a rifle that's not too hard on the brass, and I liked what I saw.
+1 on the brass thing. At $4 - $5 per brass casing, I'd be pissed if even one out of 20 got dinted.
Don't know if DSR does this. Don't care to try. I just dont think a rifle that throws brass out and away from your position is a great idea for a rifle of this type.
Bought myself an AI-AWSM in .338 last year (though I've since traded it for other shiny things). Were I to buy a .338 again, I'd definately get myself the Timberwolf.
Reloader's concern trumps....
Or get both. Hey, they're cheaper than a new quad!
