Pic Request: AR's you train/compete with

greentips said:
I like the old version M2/M3 over the M4 and the micro. Best balance among weight, ergonomic and useability
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I have to (mostly) agree. Not a fan of the M4 for ergo reasons, and I love the Micro but not the price. The M2/3 is out there in sufficient quantities that there are some smoking deals to be had and you can easily find 3 ML2's for less than the price of 2 Micros...


blake
 
Nic3500 said:
Is this a new trend that left hand hold? I've seen it in a couple competition pictures...
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vierdo said:
Havent you seen Magpuls video art of the tactial carbine? Apparently people have been shooting wrong for half a century...they even sell an accessory to help you shoot properly...
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mudgunner49 said:
There is often-times a better way to do things. Lots of people have been shooting like this for a long time, Haley and Costa just formalized it.
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Really, it is just a modification of very old shooting techniques. Old training of rifles such as the '03 Springfield, M1 Garand and such will talk about supporting the rifle forward, using bone, (and usually under the weapon). However, that was during days when the stance was more bladed so getting the support arm forward and under(especially slung in) was rather easy.

With rifles with extended mags out, it makes it harder to have the arm 'under' the wpn. However, using the principle of supporting far foreward and using bone(semi-locked extended) still works even when shooting squared off to the target.

Many have tried the magwell hold, the round grip around the vertical grip, etc....basically it just comes full circle back to old techniques, modified to accomodate for current gear.

These pics are not the best example but shows a parallel of applying the idea of supporting as far forward as was possible.
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Dare I say it too...."we are going back to basics"...army guys, esp LFCA, will get sick of this phrase very soon if they aren't already.
 
If you want to shoot some truely rightious 3-gun you're gonna want to travel to the USA. This means the shortest you wanna go is 16" for your AR barrel. You won't be allowed to import anything shorter.

That said, all I've been using is a stock RRA 16" flat top with their NM trigger, a 1-4 millet scope and a set of BUIS I never use. The only things I changed on the gun was the pistol grip and I added a BAD.
 
This what I run:

Magpul M93r stock with slight mount
magpul MIAD grip ( with spare bolt and fireing pin)
14.5 inch douglasss barrel
samson 9 inch rail
magpul ladder rail covers
surefire m900 vergrip and light
Eotech 511
samson 4X magnifier on flip mount
magpul rear flip and fixed front sight
vicker sling
RRA two stage trigger
colt upper
stag lower
LMT FA carrier and bolt



pmags once the budget permits the acquisition of 10
 
Nic3500 said:
Is this a new trend that left hand hold? I've seen it in a couple competition pictures...
That and holding it with the index wrapped over the hand guard.

This may help:

Adjusting the natural point of aim up or down. If the rifle sights are above or below the desired aiming point:
a. Vary the placement of the left hand in relation to the hand guards.
1) Moving the left hand forward on the handguards lowers the muzzle of the weapon, causing the sights to settle lower on the target.
2) Moving the left hand back on the handguards raises the muzzle of the weapon, causing the sights to settle higher on the target.
3) [Hasty sling only] - Open or close the "V" of the left hand for small adjustments (closing the "V" elevates the muzzle).

b. Vary the placement of the stock in the shoulder.
1) Moving the stock higher in the shoulder lowers the muzzle of the weapon, causing the sights to settle lower on the target.
2) Moving the stock lower in the shoulder raises the muzzle of the weapon, causing the sights to settle higher on the target.
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ARh:

Can't say the know the exact difference in weight between a 16" and a 20" barrel with the same profile....but for me personally, when shooting a 3 gun match, there's a lot of weight on the belt and body...any reduction in weight helps.

I have seen people compete with 20" AR's though, they seem to do alright. The amount of running involved would play a large factor
 
Onagoth said:
ARh:

Can't say the know the exact difference in weight between a 16" and a 20" barrel with the same profile....but for me personally, when shooting a 3 gun match, there's a lot of weight on the belt and body...any reduction in weight helps.

I have seen people compete with 20" AR's though, they seem to do alright. The amount of running involved would play a large factor
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An excellent common sense comment!!

Sometimes one needs to consider the over all picture.

regards

AbH
 
667 said:
If you want to shoot some truely rightious 3-gun you're gonna want to travel to the USA. This means the shortest you wanna go is 16" for your AR barrel. You won't be allowed to import anything shorter.
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Some 3 gun matches that the USA participates in, are more rightious than others.
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By null at 2010-07-18
 
It's only a 16" barrel but it has everything you want on your list. It's a bit heavier than some but it's very accurate and easy to keep in the "A" at 200 meters (with prone aimed shots for me and less reliably offhand).

I have shorter arms than most so I like to use a grip pretty far back on the rail, I hold it on the top more than holding the grip itself. I'm working on moving it forward.

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he's the list

* Lewis Machine and Tool MRP QCB 16" non compliant Defender model AR
* Rock River Arms 2 stage Match trigger polished and greased
* AimPoint Comp M4 red dot
* AimPoint Front and Rear Flip lens caps
* Troy Industries HK style front flip sight
* Troy Industries M4 Rear flip sight
* Troy Industries Pro Grade Sling Adapter with swivel clips
* Specter Viper 1 point tactical sling
* Magpull Forward battery assist device
* Tango Down forward Assist QD grip
* Viking Tactical Light mount bracket
* Phoenix 210 lumen e series flashlight
 
Yup.. The division known as "Heavy Metal"...
.30 cal rifle. 12ga pump and .45 pistol
iron sights only.

It's great to watch/hear someone shoot a stage at one of these matches with a true .30cal battle rifle... The non stop pfft.. pfft... pfft of .223 rounds going off gets boring ;-)


Garand said:
Some 3 gun matches that the USA participates in, are more rightious than others.
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By null at 2010-07-18
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The item your seeing at the Twelve o clock is only the top tip of a handstop/baricade rest,just a piece of alum.with a 90 degree flat spot to the 9 o clock side.nice piece of kit but next to imposible to find in Canada????
 
yes and to support against a hard flat barricade with hand to the rear of stop device.Just about everyone in the US three gun shooting com.has one of these or at least just about every pic. i've seen
 
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My "AR10.5", Bit of a bastard child. Been running this one for a few months and it's really surprised me. I'm not much of a AR guy anymore, but this has recently become my go-to gun because of its operation so far. Not a fan of the TRX Front end.. it's light enough, but too small for my ape-hands. Need to figure something else out.

Basics..

Lower – Bushmaster
Upper – DPMS
Knights FA Bolt Group
Hand Guard - Troy Ind 9” TRX
Barrel - White Oak Armament Stainless match grade 10.5" AR Barrel - 1/7 twist in .223 Wylde, M4 Feedramps.
Readimag V1 (drops both mags at once)

She performs great to 350, and for a 10.5, I'm surprised with that. No malfunctions in first 2500 rnds. had one coat of Gunzilla on the bolt carrier and inside upper, wiped dry and go. Fun snappy little gun.
 
Dave:

Nice looking rig there!!

I really like that you have a good magnified optic there. Looks like a 1-5 optic. While it may not be mainstream thinking to put a optic capable of 5x on a shorty, my thoughts are that if you have a carbine capable of make accurate 300+ meter hits, you will want some magnification to do so and place them better!!

While to this point I have no first hand experience, I have heard from reliable sources that White Oak makes some fantastic barrels.

Hm.........something more to consider.

regards

AbH
 
AbHobbyist said:
Dave:

Nice looking rig there!!

I really like that you have a good magnified optic there. Looks like a 1-5 optic. While it may not be mainstream thinking to put a optic capable of 5x on a shorty, my thoughts are that if you have a carbine capable of make accurate 300+ meter hits, you will want some magnification to do so and place them better!!

While to this point I have no first hand experience, I have heard from reliable sources that White Oak makes some fantastic barrels.

Hm.........something more to consider.

regards

AbH
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The scope is a short run made by C-More for DEVGRU testing, not adopted, no idea why. Swarofski glass, US Optics donut reticle, hand made, illuminated with NV setting, turret calibrated for 55gr and graduated to 800m. I use the illuminated 1x 99% of the time, but dialing up to 5x is nice for long shots and spotting my holes at the 50 and 100 when I'm training/playing.

Almost everyone that has glassed through this thing has offered to buy it on the spot. It's a great piece. I am just now considering selling it because I have a pile of new optics coming in...

Only negative about it on this rifle is that with the Larue, the combo is a little heavy and changes the balance. I prefer my optic a little more forward, but run it at this point for balance.
 
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Don't read to much into the C-More - they suck, and just because a unit releases RFI/RFP for items, some companies don't offer anything intelligent (Like the C-More)
 
To all of you, please keep the good ideas cominig, I very much appreciate them!!


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Kevin:

You don't like C-more, got it.

Back on point.....................

I am going to guess by the picture you left, you think a KAC 16" in 308 is the way to go for an all round carbine. Feel free to elaborate if I am missing your point.

Well I agree KAC makes good stuff, however $'s required to buy accessories let alone an entire carbine/rifle puts it out of reach of most of us mere mortals. Particularly those of us who "pay to play" so to speak.

If memory serves I believe even you commented on the pricey nature of KAC guns.

That aside, the idea of a 308 carbine may definitely have some merit. However even when reloading, one wonders if the cost of ammo may be quite prohibitive.

Something that bears further study though.



regards

AbH
 
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