Pick the best one of the final 3 of WW2
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Think I would get yelled at if i did most likely. How about I start a descusion form, where one can post what personal weapons they would have liked to used, and the reasons why. I could start with the 1911, for myself. than move up the scale etc.
I'm tempted to ask you for another poll just so that we can finally have one without the LE in it!
Ya, that nasty enfield. War is over. The enfield won.
The LE was the greatest rifle!!........ In World War One!!
Here is the best rifle of World War Two.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_XIN7VMUzc&feature=related
You do not want to run into a squad of FJ's armed with these!!
Heck even this docile old man would ruin your day!!!
F**k i want one of those!!!! Damn you, liberal pansies!!!!!!
Here is the best rifle of World War Two.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_XIN7VMUzc&feature=related
You do not want to run into a squad of FJ's armed with these!!
Heck even this docile old man would ruin your day!!!
F**k i want one of those!!!! Damn you, liberal pansies!!!!!!
Not nasty at all. I've said over and over that if this was a WW1 poll the LE would be right up there with the best of them. Fact is though that by WW2 it was obsolete. The LE didn't win the war by any stretch of the imagination. It got this far in the polls because of people being sentimental.
Set a group of guys with Enfields up against a group of guys of equal skill with MP44s and see what happens. The Enfields will get slaughtered. Likely the same result if their opponents have M1s, or SVTs, or G43s, or almost any other non bolt action infantry rifle available at that time.
Although having a MG in this list is like comparing apples to oranges I would argue too that the MG42 held a better tactical advantage and was useful in more situations than either the M1 or the LE. You can use that sucker against land, sea or air and it's effective.
Well Redrommel, I think we need to have another poll for greatest rifle of WW2
Here are the nominees:
- The MP44
- The Stg44
- The Mkb42(H)
- The MP44 with beech stock
- The MP44 mit Schnitzel
- The..."Sie werden Die verdammte MP44 selektieren!!! Sie werden nicht beleidigen Deutschland!!!"
Here is some voting info.
"The MP44 was surprisingly accurate as well, and its inline design gave it controllability even on full-auto. The concept of the StG44 was obviously carried on in the most famous and most numerously manufactured assault rifle family, beginning with the AK-47."
Thats right, the beginning of the AK-47.
Happy voting
Here are the nominees:
- The MP44
- The Stg44
- The Mkb42(H)
- The MP44 with beech stock
- The MP44 mit Schnitzel
- The..."Sie werden Die verdammte MP44 selektieren!!! Sie werden nicht beleidigen Deutschland!!!"
Here is some voting info.
"The MP44 was surprisingly accurate as well, and its inline design gave it controllability even on full-auto. The concept of the StG44 was obviously carried on in the most famous and most numerously manufactured assault rifle family, beginning with the AK-47."
Thats right, the beginning of the AK-47.
Happy voting
Would depend on field conditions. Not to many snipers would want MP44s. As well not many were issued to the general troops. The war was basically over when it was introduced in limited numbers in 43. "An American study revealed that in WW 1 it took about 7000 rounds of small arms ammo to kill a single enemy soldier. By the time of the Vietnam war, this had risen to around 25000 rounds. The average sniper required 1.3 rounds"
Old hound,
The Lee would have been my first choice for a sniper rifle in WW2 as you point out.
However WW2 was fluid, fast paced, mechanized warfare and not dominated by snipers. The assault rifle had been born and it is here to stay.
The AK-47 changed warfare forever and the MP44 was its beginning. The MP44 was ready in 42 but the apprentice painter had it shut down because he did not grasp the concept! The army produced it behind his back in small numbers until 44 when the penny finally dropped. If they had gone full tilt with it in 42........the s**t would have hit the fan.
My argument is for the most "combat effective" rifle design of the war and that is the Stg, late or not.
The Lee would have been my first choice for a sniper rifle in WW2 as you point out.
However WW2 was fluid, fast paced, mechanized warfare and not dominated by snipers. The assault rifle had been born and it is here to stay.
The AK-47 changed warfare forever and the MP44 was its beginning. The MP44 was ready in 42 but the apprentice painter had it shut down because he did not grasp the concept! The army produced it behind his back in small numbers until 44 when the penny finally dropped. If they had gone full tilt with it in 42........the s**t would have hit the fan.
My argument is for the most "combat effective" rifle design of the war and that is the Stg, late or not.
J996
I think snipers have a very large bearing on all warfare. Laying down a blanket of lead to secure a area is one thing, which all modern assault rifles can do. Holding it is another. The MP44 being the first assault rifle which worked well. And yes the general consenus I think is that the AK-47 is a copy with a few changes. Anyways I'm glad Hitler didn't like it at first. However if you want to play war games in a area the size of a football field, then I would be dead. But if you want to play in the country side, I think your dead.
I think snipers have a very large bearing on all warfare. Laying down a blanket of lead to secure a area is one thing, which all modern assault rifles can do. Holding it is another. The MP44 being the first assault rifle which worked well. And yes the general consenus I think is that the AK-47 is a copy with a few changes. Anyways I'm glad Hitler didn't like it at first. However if you want to play war games in a area the size of a football field, then I would be dead. But if you want to play in the country side, I think your dead.
Old hound,
Yes I understand your point on individual soldiers shooting long range, but on a mechanized battlefield involving whole army's the long range engagement of the enemy is accomplished with artillery and mortars followed up with armour, heavy machine guns and then the infantry to finally "close with and destroy the enemy". That is an infanteer's job description and this takes place within 400 yds (MP44 territory).
To arm them with a world war one bolt gun to accomplish this task when the enemy is armed with assault rifles puts them at a disadvantage. Snipers are not going to stop a spear thrust, they will be overrun and destroyed.
Now if its just 2 guys going at it, yes terrain will dictate: FIBUA favors the assault rifle. Desert plain favors the sniper rifle.
Yes I understand your point on individual soldiers shooting long range, but on a mechanized battlefield involving whole army's the long range engagement of the enemy is accomplished with artillery and mortars followed up with armour, heavy machine guns and then the infantry to finally "close with and destroy the enemy". That is an infanteer's job description and this takes place within 400 yds (MP44 territory).
To arm them with a world war one bolt gun to accomplish this task when the enemy is armed with assault rifles puts them at a disadvantage. Snipers are not going to stop a spear thrust, they will be overrun and destroyed.
Now if its just 2 guys going at it, yes terrain will dictate: FIBUA favors the assault rifle. Desert plain favors the sniper rifle.
hmm and the debate goes on, of course i am sure you all have your favourate fire arm from each of the armies.
1911 45acp thats a close quater man stopper
PPSH fast firing smg with a big mag and a hard hitting man stopper
mg 34 a little slower than the mg 42 but with a semi mode, and i have seen a pic with one with a scope on it
g43 loadable with striper clips, can have a scope, but no bayonet
SVT etc same as g43, stripper clips scope
Bolt action, well i like carbines, like the jungle/tanker or the m38/m44
1911 45acp thats a close quater man stopper
PPSH fast firing smg with a big mag and a hard hitting man stopper
mg 34 a little slower than the mg 42 but with a semi mode, and i have seen a pic with one with a scope on it
g43 loadable with striper clips, can have a scope, but no bayonet
SVT etc same as g43, stripper clips scope
Bolt action, well i like carbines, like the jungle/tanker or the m38/m44
Well the people have spoke and they are always right. The enfield rifle for me is a symbol of freedom. The world would be a much different place today if not for the Lee-Enfield. It saddens me that the freedoms our soldiers fought and died for are been gradually taken away. Pierre Trudeau should have been stood against a wall.
Could you imagine that we were still cranking away at the commie hordes in Korea with the No4 LE ? They had to issue an extra BREN per section to compensate for the lack of firepower. The heavier Vickers were also dusted off and used with good effect because of the more static nature of warfare there.
We were fortunate to enjoy a dominating superiority in artillery which helped to carry the day. Many of our troops did their own sums on firepower and picked up M1/M2 Carbines and Garands when they had the opportunity.
Pierre Turdo despised the military and our sentiments for him were heartily reciprocated. The fancy bugger spent WW2 on a college campus and riding around on his motorcycle while hundreds of thousands of his betters made the choice to do something meaningful for their country. It was really ironic that his true instincts came out when he decided to use the Army to enforce the War Measures Act on our own people.
We were fortunate to enjoy a dominating superiority in artillery which helped to carry the day. Many of our troops did their own sums on firepower and picked up M1/M2 Carbines and Garands when they had the opportunity.
Pierre Turdo despised the military and our sentiments for him were heartily reciprocated. The fancy bugger spent WW2 on a college campus and riding around on his motorcycle while hundreds of thousands of his betters made the choice to do something meaningful for their country. It was really ironic that his true instincts came out when he decided to use the Army to enforce the War Measures Act on our own people.
I agree with the war measures act being used, what where the FLQ. a bunch of murdering terrorists. in hindsight compared with todays terrorists. it was the thing to do. To bad the war measures act can't be applied to organized crime. that said lets get back to guns of ww2, my fav the 1911 lol
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Actually the War Measures Act was applied to everything. The QPP and Montreal police found it a great opportunity to scarf up anybody and everybody,mostly petty crooks,without the benefit of due process. It really did'nt stop anything in 1970 and gave a lot of inspiration to the follow-on separatist movement in Quebec. It was way too much of a broad brush and empowered the Govt with Nazi-like powers. Thankfully it was repealed in 1985.
Tell you what;I'll stay away from politics if you stay away from polls. Was'nt it Mackenzie King who said that polls were only useful for dogs to pee on?
Tell you what;I'll stay away from politics if you stay away from polls. Was'nt it Mackenzie King who said that polls were only useful for dogs to pee on?
