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one is a fair condition m1860 army .44 cap and ball that one i can find info on ..the other is what looks like a Land pattern flintlock pistol with what looks like Arabic writing on the lock and a stamp on the top i cant make out ...i know pics would help but i cant post them right now ...the gun is in excellent condition i think maybe too nice for it to be as old as its supposed to be ...i take the lock off ..no marks except a small crescent moon on a couple parts {turkish copy maybe} there are some lines under the barrel and dots on the barrel which seem to correspond marks in the wood ...it is a very well made pistol no proof marks anywhere and it does appear to be older ...
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I would agree it looks like the belgian guns floating around although they proofed their guns. Is the any marks on the underside of the barrel ?
 
A while back had a similar piece in percussion. Again not much for markings but was definitely Belgian and a knowledgeable friend suggested it was a trade pistol made late 1800's for mid and far east trade as well as Africa. Presume they still made flinters as well at the same time and thus it's newer look.
 
no markings under the barrel just a couple lines scratched on the bottom of it with some corresponding marks in the barrel channel .....so basically a Belgian copy of an early English flinter prolly for trade to a less wealthy country ....any idea as to value ???
 
Yes I would say for trade. The slashes and dots would be parts markings to keep them all to that gun when being built. Value not sure. They aren't all that collectible being that they are unmarked belgian guns but they are still cool and interesting. There is some value there though. What do you think Mr sainsbury ?
 
In the absence of proof marks, I don't think it is belgian but rather somewhere in the middle East. My guess would be India. The stamp makes me think it was made in some sort of commercial facility because the individually made guns usually have crude marks on them (if any) that mimic british marks

cheers mooncoon
 
the general good condition, fit and finish, the absence of mimic markings and lack of file/grinder marks indicate to me that it is not Indian/Kyber. Arabic writing indicates Turkish make. lack of decorative engraving suggest a common end user. looks like it did not see a lot of abuse. perhaps an issue type of firearm for the army?
 
As I recall-memory is starting to fade, like my hair- but I think I got 550- trade value on it for some other piece that intrigued me. The flinter should be about 100- more. Did shoot mine and no problem on that score-not very accurate even at 25 yds.
 
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