picking a 223 bullet for Deer
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duncansuds
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You laugh… I know a couple guys who pretty much do this with 7mm mags. They buy a different brand of ammo every year, literally spilt the box between them and “hunt” right between two deer crossing signs that are about 300m apart down here…. Worst part is, they haven’t been skunked yet. ��
Like I said before, lots of guys don’t understand how bullets and terminal ballistics work…
Even in the video you put up, you can CLEARLY see the exit wound in the opposite eye socket.
But hey, if you want to go with the belief that a bullet passing by tugged the life out of that deer, then you do you booboo.
I’m just going to hang this here though…..
https://youtu.be/YrHpe5Z93wM
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That's why the signs are there, An abundance of deer in that area. Either the vehicles will get 'em, or the bullets will!
That's like Erectile Disfunction...ain't a single man jack on here who is going to own up to that...particularly with a marginal caliber. Fanboys be darned... 223 is still marginal in most's eyes. Fair or not...that's the optics.
I'm Erectile Disfunctional. And it ain't all that big anymore, either. But it took 4 wives(one at a time) to put me in this shape!
Yeah that deer getting killed because the .50 was close to its head is so much BS it's almost as rediculous as those people that believe I actually cam happen and use the same yutube video as "proof"
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- West Central Alberta
See that's the thing, we all know of this guy who shot a moose with a cannon and the moose ran away.
But these are the same guys who would shoot a moose with a .223 and guess what?
The moose ran away. Come on guys use the proper tool for the job.
nowarningshot
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40 grain Speer worked great in my 22 hornet for moose.
I sure wouldn't grab a .223 for elk or moose sized animals. But deer with a good bullet are a completely different thing.
Although I suppose if I had a .223 loaded with TTSX bullets and a moose popped up at close range the moose would die. But I don't know why I would be carrying a .223 with a moose tag in my pocket so it's a moot point.
If the "concussion" of a 50 cal bullet travelling close to a dee could kill it, everyone standing next to a 50 cal rifle when being fired would also be dead. From my (several thousands of 50BMG rounds) experience the only thing you feel next to the rifle is LOUD and muzzle blast.
Agree, of all the beautiful cartridges on the market for deer, it's amazing that a 22 centerfire is a chosen one.
It's a more sophisticated milsurp round IMO.
The same guys that will flame you for using a 303 will champion the 223.
Can split hairs all they want... "it's a hunting round"... yeah but if the US armed forces hadn't picked it up in the 5.56 flavour... it likely would not be as popular as it is.
Not saying it's a crappy round... but then again neither are most of the milsurps that we pack and shoot.
It's just fun debating on it.
The 50 cal thing makes me chuckle. Just think for a moment how much energy the bullet would have to be exerting in all directions non stop to achieve death by air concussion. 50 BMG has just over 5 times the energy at the muzzle as 308 winchester. It's plenty but not really that much.
In my time in the military we had the same rubbish repeated too "it'll rip limbs off even if you miss by a metre" was word for word something I heard.
It takes approximately 4000 newtons to break a femur. That's 4000 joules of energy exerted over 1m. Long story short if the 50bmg was exterting 4000 joules of energy in just 4 directions (instead of all directions) it would expend it's 18,000 joules in less than 1.25m and fall to the floor.
This would probably make you a sad panda if you just spent $15,000 on your shiny new 50 BMG
I used Federal Fusion 62gr, it kills things. Plenty of 110kg strong men with body armour have been killed with 5.56 FMJ, an 80kg deer will die just fine.
In my time in the military we had the same rubbish repeated too "it'll rip limbs off even if you miss by a metre" was word for word something I heard.
It takes approximately 4000 newtons to break a femur. That's 4000 joules of energy exerted over 1m. Long story short if the 50bmg was exterting 4000 joules of energy in just 4 directions (instead of all directions) it would expend it's 18,000 joules in less than 1.25m and fall to the floor.
This would probably make you a sad panda if you just spent $15,000 on your shiny new 50 BMG
I used Federal Fusion 62gr, it kills things. Plenty of 110kg strong men with body armour have been killed with 5.56 FMJ, an 80kg deer will die just fine.
Strangely enough, all the folks that I have dealt with that shot a moose with a cannon and it ran away, were FAR too tied up in the bigger is better, more is not enough races, that they would have never considered taking a .223 out for Moose.
Much like the clowns repeating the 50 caliber 'concussion' stories as if they knew what they were talking about.
To put some perspective on the clowns that the guy I mentioned above with the 7STW, hung with, they would do fun things like getting liquored up and shoot at each other's boots as they dried by the fire... A hunting buddy went out with their party. Just the once.
I have shot a horse with a .223, I will attest that it dropped like it was poleaxed, and it didn't get back up. While I would not choose it for moose, I am reasonably sure it would work well enough, if it was all I had. Similar enough sized animal.
Unlike the aforementioned, I would not trust the hype that a hit in the arse should knock the moose's head clean off, though.
