picking shot size

H4831 said:
Drache, htting a grouse on the wing with a 22 is a tremendous feat! I was taught at a very early age, like 12 years old, to shoot grouse in the head or neck with a 22, on the ground. I think this is the best way there is to shoot grouse.
I consider grouse to be the hardest of any upland game bird to hit on the wing with a shotgun.
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I was mostly joking about hitting grouse on the wing with a .22, I've only ever done it twice and it was pure luck both times (both times it was more out of desperation as it was the end of the season and I had been "skunked" both times up until those points).

I was taught to shoot grouse on the ground with a .22 by my grandfather and he was an amazing shot and never used a scope, infact the only scope he ever used was on his .308 Norma. I was taught on open sites and actually can prefer open sites on a .22.

I have shot lots of grouse on the wing with a 12 gauge and I think what makes them so hard is they fly fast and for a very short time and generally into trees.

I prefer a .22 for grouse hunting due to the accuracy but carrying a .22 for bear defense isn't the smartest of ideas and the bears around here and getting pretty brave! And carrying a .22 and a shotgun while hiking along with all my camping gear can be a real pain in the back. :D
 
drache said:
I have shot lots of grouse on the wing with a 12 gauge and I think what makes them so hard is they fly fast and for a very short time and generally into trees.
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you claim you "have shot lots of grouse on the wing" yet you are here asking what shot size to use:confused: if you have shot "lots", id sure hope you have figured out what works by now. id expect to hear what size shot and lead or steel from someone new to the game...
 
canadian hunter312 said:
you claim you "have shot lots of grouse on the wing" yet you are here asking what shot size to use:confused: if you have shot "lots", id sure hope you have figured out what works by now. id expect to hear what size shot and lead or steel from someone new to the game...
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Last time I was hunting I was 14 years old... at the time it was take the shotgun and the shell from my grandfather and shoot the bird. There was no thinking about shot sizes. :rolleyes:
 
I don't know the circumstances, but generally speaking I don't like the idea of trying to wing shoot with a .22...... You have no idea where that bullet will come to rest. I'll trust you knew what you were doing!

Those Hungarians should be called "funs" not "Huns".... nothing better than going after those little guys over a couple of good dogs!
 
I use 3/4oz of 9's in a standard skeet load out of my 28 gauge for ruffies, and have never had a problem with it , even with skeet chokes .
The pellets that do go inot the breast don't go far, but the 9's get a good pattern around the neck and head to kill them.
I've taken ruffed grouse in very tight cover and also at long yardage with this load.

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Meh. I must be int he minority, cause you can knock the grouse where I hunt down with a strong fart for the most part.

90% of my grouse are taken with 7 1/2 target loads, out of an improved choke through my 12 gauge.
 
drache said:
Last time I was hunting I was 14 years old... at the time it was take the shotgun and the shell from my grandfather and shoot the bird. There was no thinking about shot sizes. :rolleyes:
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anyone shooting should identify what load they are shooting before even heading out. even at 14 you should have known better.

for all you knew it could have been #8 shot or 000 buck ;)
 
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canadian hunter312 said:
i see...

im trying to figure out who was the bigger idiot if that is the truth. you for not checking to see what load you are shooting or your grandfather for not teaching you how to shoot properly. anyone shooting should identify what load they are shooting before even heading out. even at 14 you should have known better.

for all you knew it could have been #8 shot or 000 buck ;)
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Oh yes that's right you're an armchair rambo, you knew everything about firearms at 14, had you own house with no mortgage payments, and 2 kids. :rolleyes:

My grandfather was a big game guide so he knew what he was doing. I also trusted my grandfather with my life many times. As a teen I was happy just being outdoors with my grandfather.

So go troll in another thread... seriously no one even likes you here so why stay? :rolleyes:

Why don't you go beat up your neighbor for breaking glass bottles or build a fence or something! I got it, why not go sue some large retail chain for trying to poison you?
 
drache said:
Oh yes that's right you're an armchair rambo, you knew everything about firearms at 14, had you own house with no mortgage payments, and 2 kids. :rolleyes:

My grandfather was a big game guide so he knew what he was doing. I also trusted my grandfather with my life many times. As a teen I was happy just being outdoors with my grandfather.

So go troll in another thread... seriously no one even likes you here so why stay? :rolleyes:

Why don't you go beat up your neighbor for breaking glass bottles or build a fence or something! I got it, why not go sue some large retail chain for trying to poison you?
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bahahaha...now THAT (in bold) is fricken priceless. thanks...i needed that :D:p

now stop acting like a child before you get this good thread locked;)


btw...how the hell does checking what loads i was shooting when i was 14 make me an armchair rambo :rolleyes: i thought it was just common sense?
 
canadian hunter312 said:
i see...

im trying to figure out who was the bigger idiot if that is the truth. you for not checking to see what load you are shooting or your grandfather for not teaching you how to shoot properly. anyone shooting should identify what load they are shooting before even heading out. even at 14 you should have known better.

for all you knew it could have been #8 shot or 000 buck ;)
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and at 14 and under the supervision of his grandfather, no harm no foul.

Let me assure you that bulls**t comments like these do not put you up a notch on the hunter scale, rather they take you down a notch...

We have a young man who was introduced to hunting by his grandfather, Here he is years later, still involved and looking for a bit of guidance on things he's not sure about it...

Sounds like Pops do an OK job to me...:)

Perhaps you are better informed on shot size and quarry, but that doesn't mean you don't need to learn thing or two ;)

I'd rather go hunting with a man who knows better than to pass judgement, ridicule and taint special memories of a guy and guys grandfather, than one who can debate the advantages of 7.5 over 6 shot when hunting grouse..:rolleyes:
 
drache said:
In bold? What is in bold? Don't you know how to bold something?

Besides you're the one trolling threads like some impubescent 14 year old.... :rolleyes:
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better? :cool:

do i really need to do a search and post some of the immature crap you have wrote before or have you already had your share of blackbird for the day?:)
 
sealhunter said:
and at 14 and under the supervision of his grandfather, no harm no foul.

Let me assure you that bulls**t comments like these do not put you up a notch on the hunter scale, rather they take you down a notch...

We have a young man who was introduced to hunting by his grandfather, Here he is years later, still involved and looking for a bit of guidance on things he's not sure about it...

Sounds like Pops do an OK job to me...:)

Perhaps you are better informed on shot size and quarry, but that doesn't mean you don't need to learn thing or two ;)

I'd rather go hunting with a man who knows better than to pass judgement, ridicule and taint special memories of a guy and guys grandfather, than one who can debate the advantages of 7.5 over 6 shot when hunting grouse..:rolleyes:
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Seal, thanks for those words.

My last time hunting was with my grandfather 12 years ago and I haven't been since except as an "observer".

90% of the time I used a .22 to shoot grouse as a kid and know nothing about shotguns and just purchased my first one and I need to learn.

Sadly when you post honest questions there are trolls like CH312 who really make it worse for people trying to learn. and make a bad taste about the gun community. Luckily though there are many more people willing to help than Vollpatient like CH312.
 
sealhunter said:
Let me assure you that bulls**t comments like these do not put you up a notch on the hunter scale, rather they take you down a notch...
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i guess im the only one that thinks teaching new shooters (especially hunters) that checking what you are shooting is very important whether its a rifle or a shotgun, at the range or in the bush. its small thing like this that can make a huge difference at the end of the day.

we all know what can happen if you shoot the wrong load. buckshot or slug when wing shooting? 20 gauge in a 12 gauge? 3" in a 2 3/4"?

i was taught at a young age to ALWAYS check each load before putting it in the gun or mag and to check if other load for you. a habit developed and i have never loaded the wrong cartridge or shell in over 10 years of shooting.


some have pet peeves with shooting such as eye protection, ear muffs, etc. this is mine;)
 
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