Pictures of civilian HK 416/417
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see, people say that, but i just ordered a CQB from my gun store and they ordered it from r nicholls.(came in at the same price btw) should be here in december.
although i'm sure if i called them direct, like any other distributor, they'd tell me to f**k off.
RevolverRodger
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whats the point of switch to a piston if you are still gonna use the AR's crappy tight toleranced bolt carrier and not put on a folding stock!!?!
Ill take a .308 though, but only cuz I cant have an FN
I'm sure that the crappy AR-15 is not accurate enough for your 'tactical' applications...
I love the ar, dont get me wrong. I just really dont see how throwing a piston into it fixes anything. Maybe if they changed the whole upper receiver, bolt and locking lugs, bolt carrier, recoil spring system and stock...but aside from that its an answer to a question only people who wanted a g36 asked
AFAIK, it mostly just makes them easier to clean. Unless you love cleaning, that's an advantage. Getting a bit of powder residue of a G36-style piston/cup assembly is a lot easier, and a lot less frequent, than cleaning the crap off of at AR bolt/carrier system. I've owned both.
For high-volume shooters (not in Canada), less heat gets into the receiver area which in theory will result in longer lifespan for springs etc.
The more I look at the AR15 design, the more the little bits of genius become apparent. Cleaning is a small price to pay in some ways - if a piston upper like the 416 is available at a good price, I'll get one to avoid the cleaning - but won't expect any other miracles.
I've always thought the tolerances of the bolt were too tight. I've talked to a couple of Marines and they said most problems with the M-16 are from bad mags. Other complaints were that it overheats quickly and some guys want a bigger round. But they seemed to be satisfied with them overall.
RevolverRodger
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I'm sure better systems exist but the AR-15 works good for the US army, Canadian armed forces, Dutch army, Countless SWAT etc... If it works for them I figure it's good enough for me
But I have nothing against innovation, I just prefer tested systems
But I have nothing against innovation, I just prefer tested systems
Civilian
Original
Takes new lower capacity possible single stack magazine.
The "original" is a prototype, using G3 mags, the production uses g36-like magazines. Most of the prototypes were hack-jobs if you've seen upclose pics... If this MR308 is deemed non-restricted in any reason, i'll put my name for it.
The piston and spring setup is supposed to fix the issue on an M-4 type with enlarged gas port/shorter gas tube from having hot gases blow back directly on to the bolt & carrier thus causing the bolt, carrier and its internal components to heat up excessively and the lubrication on these parts to dissipate more rapidly which in turn causes more friction and heat buildup which eventually causes premature failure of these critical parts under extreme usage conditions ie. FA/BF.
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The main obstacle is not the $200 tax stamp but rather the process itself. You have to send fingerprints to the ATF and FBI, get interviewed by your local sheriff, wait for about six months...most people simply don't want to go through the hassle.
True, but my point is not so that much the price of the rifle is important but rather people who spend that much on an AR-type rifle are going to more often than not be serious AR fans who will no doubt have many AR's in various configurations and calibers, including SBR's.
But I agree that the SBR issue is a major obstacle.
