Pietta PPS-50, first impressions after 300 rounds

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I visited Tenda's store the other day when I was in the city just to check it out. While there I thought, Im going to check out the PPS-50 just to see how it feels in my hands. Big mistake. After seeing and holding it, it went home with me in the car along with a 2nd 30 round mag.
Ive always wanted one... so it was a happy mistake.

After getting it home I took it apart and cleaned it, then lubed it. It was a bit dirty inside, just not from use, just the usual junk. Its not SUPER easy to take apart requiring 2 sizes of flat blade screwdrivers. Nothing aweful, but its not simple. The manual is decent and gives good exploded views so you know your re-assembling it correctly.

Once it was cleaned up I took it out in the yard with 2 mags filled with 20 rounds of CCI Mini Mags. I dont want to shoot mini mags all the time from this gun but I had heard it needs some break in so I figured id break it in with something thats got some kick. Both mags emptied with no issues what so ever. Filled them back up with 30 rounds each and again, perfect function, feeding, ejecting. NO issues with 100 rounds of Mini Mags fast and slow firing. Its winter here and I was just shooting at a stump so i cant comment on accuracy, but more on that later.

After the mini mags I loaded up 30 rounds of Thunderbolt and 30 rounds of CCI blazer, not the bulk packed stuff, the 50 round box stuff. (supposed to be better). Fed both mags, 30 each, without a single issues. Put the last 20 rounds of each from the boxes id opened into the 2 empty mags and again, no issues.

At this point I was impressed to say the least but wanted to check out what the cheap bulk crap would be like. So I loaded up a mag of Winchester white box (555)... all the other ammo I was using was round nose, the winchester was hollow point. Of the 30 rounds I fired I had 2 rounds get jammed up while feeding into the chamber. They got stuck but the bolt was moving wiht such force it bent the rounds nearly in half. Happened twice. I had 20 of these rounds left so I loaded them up and again, in the 15 rounds another stuck and bent round. They just fall out when you drop the mag... so not a big inconvenience, but clearly this gun likes round nose ammo. I then tried, just for the heck of it, some CCI Quiet... which did not work at all. The round was always left in the chamber and wouldnt eject... and the action wouldnt cycle anyway. Only tried 5 but it was clear they arent going to work. No real surprise.

After 250 rounds the gun had functioned flawlessly with anything round nose I fed it. Hollow point is off the table now. But im cool with that. I took the gun in to check it over and give it a cleaning. Upon initial inspection I noticed the both the front and rear sight were loose... like ready to fall off loose. Also, one of the front sight screws had fallen out and is now gone forever. Before you shoot your PPS-50, locktite the sight screws.

Once i started disassmebling the gun for cleaning I noticed the threaded rear cap on the action was loose, but not excessively. Cant loctite that part so ill just keep an eye on it. The tiny screws that hold the trigger group pins in were also loose... cant loctite these either. So im going to have to figure something out there.

When I removed the back cap and the action springs I noticed one of the spring guide rods was loose inside the end plate that holds it and the other guide rod. It looks like its maybe threaded in and the threads are starting to strip. Im not sure how important it is for this piece to be tight, but im going to get warranty on it as I dont think it should be loose like that.

The gun was dirty, but had continued to function great. I cleaned it all up and put it back together.

My verdict after 250 rounds... its a great gun. I paid $240 plus tax for the gun... bought one extra mag for a total of abotu $325. These are 30 rounds mags and they fed flawlessly. Youll be hard pressed to find another new, semi auto with 2 30 rounds mags for that kind of money.

Another note. The gun has dovetail groves in the reciever. I intend to mount a red dot so I had to buy a Dovetail to Picatinny adatper. got it on amazon for $12 shipped. If you wanted to do a scope you can buy dovetail rings so that shouldnt be a problem.

The gun is built nicely. It seems sturdy, everyting functioned as it should. Trigger was stiff at first but loosened up after I was done. Safety works nicely, cant comment on the sights as apparently they were super loose. The mag release works good. At first, mags were tricky to insert. After id put abotu 5 through it I got way more comfortable wiht the process to the point I can now do it without looking and without mistakes. Just takes getting used to. The bolt is held open by the magazine follower. So when you remove the mag, the bolt drops. I dont like that. its a bit unnerving and you cant lock the bolt open. This is one of the very few downsides of this gun IMO.

One of the biggest upsides is the style. Its just so different than any other .22 out there. It has such a great look and solid feel in your hands. Other than the loose screws and possibly the guide rod issue... I think its a well built gun. Not on par with a 10/22... but by no means bad.

For the money, I dont think you can do better if a high capacity .22 semi is what your after. I wouldnt necessarily pay any MORE for this gun than I did... I dont think its worth more. But for what I spent, I feel like I got more than my moneys worth. I will try one of the metal drums at some point. But for now, a 3rd stick mag is what I need Most. And more ammo.




 
When I removed the back cap and the action springs I noticed one of the spring guide rods was loose inside the end plate that holds it and the other guide rod. It looks like its maybe threaded in and the threads are starting to strip. Im not sure how important it is for this piece to be tight, but im going to get warranty on it as I dont think it should be loose like that.

I found my end cap and guide rods loose as well. (Did a quick waik-through on the PPS-50 here a few days back.) I unscrewed the rods, put some red loctite on the threads, put it back together. Haven't tested yet to see how it works.
 
They are neat looking guns, I just hear longevity is their short comings.

I know what you mean. Had they still been in the $400+ range I wouldn't have bothered but for $240 it was worth a look. The only concern I have is the spring guide rods. The rods are screwed into a disk, basically a fender washer with tapped holes on each side, and this disk gets hammered by the bolt. One of my rods was loose after 150 rounds, which I found later when cleaning. I've read about other having there guide rod(s) come off and the springs getting mangled. I'll be keeping an eye on it now that I used red loctite on them. Another option might be to thread the rods a bit more and put a nut on the back end with loctite? We'll see how things go.
 
That's exactly what I had happen... But the threads appear to not be in perfect shape. I almost wonder if some JB weld would be good in there... Or epoxy or something. Something VERY permanent. I don't think nuts on the back will work as that piece contacts the recoil buffer spring (I assume that's what it is) that sits in the end cap. The nuts would get in the way.
I'm thinking of just getting another one of them with good threads and doing a better job fastening it and not bothering with the one I have.
What about welding it... Just a tiny spot weld on each side of the guide rod to attach it to the plate... Anyone think that would work?
 
They are about the closest thing Canadians will ever get to owning a PPSH. Other than shooting from a closed bolt and of course a lesser cartridge they are very similar to the PPSH. The other big difference is of course the finish on the Pietta 50 which is very nice. They work flawlessy under all sorts of conditions and from what I've seen aren't particularly ammo specific.
 
That's exactly what I had happen... But the threads appear to not be in perfect shape. I almost wonder if some JB weld would be good in there... Or epoxy or something. Something VERY permanent. I don't think nuts on the back will work as that piece contacts the recoil buffer spring (I assume that's what it is) that sits in the end cap. The nuts would get in the way.
I'm thinking of just getting another one of them with good threads and doing a better job fastening it and not bothering with the one I have.
What about welding it... Just a tiny spot weld on each side of the guide rod to attach it to the plate... Anyone think that would work?

I was thinking of getting one, and a good chance I will and YES I was thinking the same thing (small spot welds) to hold the rods in place.I would probably use the Tig welder at work for this, nice tiny welds.

I don`t see why this wouldn`t work.Heck ,you could even easily make a whole new guide rod/cap/washer assembly from scratch if need be ,piece of cake I would think.

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As an update I have fired at least 300 more American Eagle 22 LR 40 gr without issue and the loctite is holding. I'll keep an eye on it though.

I also removed the iron sights as this version didn't have the flip down sight. I replaced them with a TRS-25 and it's a great combo. Only had an opportunity to shoot it at 10y but even my wife was able to shoot the center out of our target with one 30rnd mag. (Her first time shooting a rifle.)

Only problem I have is it's royal pain to clean the barrel due to removing the shroud.
 
Thanks for the review.
Yes you're right : "Before you shoot your PPS-50, locktite the sight screws" especially if you put the gun on a ATV rack...

I notice 2 things about this rifle.
First, there is 2 places where they come from. If the barrel has oval holes , the rifle is coming from Pietta Italy.
If the barrel has circle holes, it's coming from US.

My brother has the US model and he tried the metal drum, he had many issues and he return the drum.

Second, I bought a plastic drum and let me tell you is a real fun to shoot 50 rounds back to back without any jam, plus the look is incredible.

I tried my drum with my brother rifle (US model), nightmare... jam after jam.
 
Thanks for the review.
Yes you're right : "Before you shoot your PPS-50, locktite the sight screws" especially if you put the gun on a ATV rack...
I used the loctite on my guide rods, which is why I'll keep an eye on it.

I've got the oval holed shroud, bottom is sold, only sides and top are holed. Cleaning the outside of the barrel is a commitment. You have to remove the trigger group to get to the barrel setscrew before you can slide it off the shroud. Won't be doing that for every cleaning. ;)
 
I got one a few years ago. Put almost 2k rounds though it before the guide rods snapped.
Sights shook off. Luckily I'd just fired the last round, and heard an odd sound of metal on concrete... I just removed the irons. It was fun, especially with the 50 round drum, but it takes forever to get replacement parts.. I gave up on it.
 
I had 2 of them , kept 1 . yes they have a tendency to rattle all the screws loose ! eg. After many many rounds I started getting some misfires , = barrel set screw/retainer came loose and the bbl moved slightly forward = poor /light strikes. Easy fix once found. I have had better function out of the steel drums over the plastic one(which I never use anymore ).
Lovely little gun ,tons of reliable fun , & it's different .(read : Not a 10-22 ) Yes I own a 10-22 with a 1929 Thompson kit cause that's as close as I can get to owning a real one.
Now I need the MP-40
 
I had one. It was a cool little rifle but needed everything loctited. The trigger on mine was probably over 20 lbs, it was worse than any SKS trigger. The first round out of the mag liked to jam so I'd "M1 assist" it into battery. The crappy trigger was what made me sell it. If they did a sub 5 lb trigger it would be much more fun for me.
 
Well... about 350 rounds in I was shooting a string real fast and apparently had a round that got stuck in the barrel... before I noticed (didnt make any strange noise, just felt a bit different) I had run 3 more rounds through it... or not through it to be accurate. So, there are 4 lead projectiles JAMMED in the barrel and they will NOT come out. Im hoping I can get just a barrel and swap it out because this one can't be fixed. The only thing I can think of doing is heating the barrel and letting the lead melt... but that seems like it could create a PILE of new problems.

Anyone got any other suggestions? Its weird this happened because I was running mini mags... so they were light rounds. Why the first one got stuck I dont know. Cant use the gun at all though. So thats annoying.
 
Well... about 350 rounds in I was shooting a string real fast and apparently had a round that got stuck in the barrel... before I noticed (didnt make any strange noise, just felt a bit different) I had run 3 more rounds through it... or not through it to be accurate. So, there are 4 lead projectiles JAMMED in the barrel and they will NOT come out. Im hoping I can get just a barrel and swap it out because this one can't be fixed. The only thing I can think of doing is heating the barrel and letting the lead melt... but that seems like it could create a PILE of new problems.

Anyone got any other suggestions? Its weird this happened because I was running mini mags... so they were light rounds. Why the first one got stuck I dont know. Cant use the gun at all though. So thats annoying.

Have you tried knocking them out with a solid brass rod and big hammer?
 
Mines still doing fine and the loctite is holding. So far I haven't used any .22LR under 1200fps but I rarely have 1300+fps like the manual stated.
I haven't passed the 2000RD mark yet but I'm well over 1000RD.
 
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