Pissed off outfitter last night!!!

That outfitter has a really unfortunate attitude...why not just talk to you guys and find out where your stands are, and when you will be using the trail??

My favorite duck blind was built on public land by an outfitter...everyone uses it, as well as the outfitter. We were in the blind for about a half hour, just starting to get the decoys out and set up. Then we see the headlights of a quad coming down the shoreline. Turns out its the outfitter with a group of clients...they had their hopes set on that blind. `He never tried to push me out of the blind, I voluntarily moved to a different spot...had enough time to slap together some branches and reeds for a makeshift blind around the corner from these guys...The outfitter was so thankful he offered to take us out for divers in late season. Great guy, and a great way to deal with other hunters.

Sometimes a little friendliness and negotiation goes a long way...some people seem to be lost in this concept.
 
albertaal said:
In my duck hunting area, I'd never seen any other hunters excepting a few other local fellas. This last season, trucks loaded with guides and their hunters were all over the place. They drove over swaths, dug pits and didn't fill them back in, and called the nieghboring farmers so much that the farmer's wives were all pissed off with all the calling. The 1st week of October saw the "no hunting" signs up everywhere. I called the farmer that has given me lots of permission, he said, "Al, the signs aren't for you. The guides are driving us crazy. You can hunt all you want."

I know a lot of guides, and just about all of them are good guys. Some of them (like the guy in my area), need to be clued in a bit.
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Most of these so called guides are American outfits from the Southeastern USA...lots from Louisianna, Georgia. They can hunt anywhere in Canada....I think it was the NAFTA that allowed it as migitory birds are federal. They do not have business licenses in the provinces, majority of $$$$ stays down in the USA, except of hotels and meals. The only people they employ locally are maybe a few landowners they buttered up to drive around and be spotters. I have a few friends that have had run-ins with theys operations....not that some of the local Outfitters are any different.

I have had the same situations with big game as a resident hunter and vice versa when I guided for big game. Even some resident hunters have poor hunting edicate and go on land trespassing.

Anyhow, sounds like a sweet bear you got!!! I do the same.....been in an area hunting elk and whitetails for years on crown land, and have had run ins with an outfitter or 2. Sorry guys, been in here hunting before your operations started. :bangHead::popCorn:

Seen alot of this in northern Alberta.
 
Big Game said:
What seems to be your problem? You don't like that I live in Selkirk? You take exception that I won't let an outfitter crowd me out of my area? Lots of what seem to be snide remarks but you haven't said anything that I can address! I don't feel I've done anything wrong but if you disagree by all means elaborate.
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Gtrussel has a history of trolling & negative posts. Just add him/her to your ignore list friend.
 
mvarley84 said:
That outfitter has a really unfortunate attitude...why not just talk to you guys and find out where your stands are, and when you will be using the trail??
Sometimes a little friendliness and negotiation goes a long way...some people seem to be lost in this concept.
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The problem here is that he's set his bait up just off the highway and maybe 50 yds. off the trail. Our baits are down the trail a considerable distance and we drive right by his stand going in or out. It doesn't matter to me other than he's trying to piggyback off my baits, I'll continue to go into my baits as I have no idea whether or not he has a client in on his stand. Sucks to be that guy paying $$$$$$ for a bear hunt and having a quad drive by just as a nice bear comes in. Oh well it is what it is! If he's bright he'll take a look at the trail on the other side of the highway and set up there where he won't be disturbed. If he's lazy and just out to grab the cash he'll keep his bait where it is, makes no difference to me. I've inspected his bait site and am pretty confident that my sight will outperform his setup anyway.
 
Big Game said:
The problem here is that he's set his bait up just off the highway and maybe 50 yds. off the trail. Our baits are down the trail a considerable distance and we drive right by his stand going in or out. It doesn't matter to me other than he's trying to piggyback off my baits, I'll continue to go into my baits as I have no idea whether or not he has a client in on his stand. Sucks to be that guy paying $$$$$$ for a bear hunt and having a quad drive by just as a nice bear comes in. Oh well it is what it is! If he's bright he'll take a look at the trail on the other side of the highway and set up there where he won't be disturbed. If he's lazy and just out to grab the cash he'll keep his bait where it is, makes no difference to me. I've inspected his bait site and am pretty confident that my sight will outperform his setup anyway.
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My comment wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the outfitter...He should have made contact with you before placing bait where he did. He could have also disclosed the dates and times he would be at the stand...that way you could adjust your timings so you wouldn't be ripping past his stand with clients in it.
 
I've never dealt with a "guide" that hasn't been respectful or polite before. The few I've ran into have all been "locals" or guides that we're from the province. It's too bad that some one is out there destroying the reputation that others have worked hard to build. It only takes one careless ass to make the others look bad. Typicaly its the guiding business's that donate to the hunters dinners and raffles. If I could do it again I'd be a guide. But I'm stuck with a mortgage and kids now. Lol. Its not all about me anymore.
 
In the area we hunted for moose last year there were three outfitters. Every single cutline had signage and an empty bait barrel between 1 and 200 yds from the logging road. Normally I respect someone else is hunting an area and simply hunt somewhere else. I Never hunt an area with a posted trapline.

Many of those barrels appeared to never have had bait in them. It was obvious these outfitters were simply, "laying claim" to every cutline in the wmu. Some of the places the barrels were placed were laughable and some of the signage tried to portray that no one was allowed on this public land but them. The, "real" bait stations were in about 3-500 yds, and there weren't very many of them.

This was all open crown land a very long way from any kind of settlement. I used to support outfitters in opinion, not anymore if that's how they're operating. Screw'em.
 
In the morning a hunter heard a vehicle. He discovered, only a short distance from where they were hunting, a gravelled, all weather road.
Wow. Was he some angry!
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LOL, a girl I knew was the target of an outfitter's wrath in a "wilderness" area. Her response was to show up later at thier camp in a swim suit and inform the guide within the client's ear shot, in German, "well we decided to just move the truck up the valley a few Kms so we wont disturb you anymore"

It is getting to be ridiculous here in B.C the level of entitlement that the outfitters feel over thier territory. Some very dirty tricks get played to say the least. Too bad that they mislead thier client's with so much "exclusive rights to 3500 square KM of wilderness" claims and other B.S it creates false expectations. I never understood why 'running into' and having a pleasant, mature, 20 minute interaction with a residents hunter would'nt be a nice experience for a sport? Heck if I was hunting Kudo and ran into some local guys I'd be tickled to talk and learn. 90% of the resident hunters I know would bend over back wards not to interfer with another's hunt, meanwhile little planes herd the game away or surly guys guard man made salt licks........
 
Poeple tell me there are respectable outfitters in northern Alberta...I believe there may be one or two...I have never seen them though. A couple years ago one fella set-up nice box blinds with hinged plexi-glass windows on private land without obtaining permission to even set foot on it. When the owner (who let's myself and a few others hunt) confronted him and told him to remove the blinds the outfitter turned tail and never even came back for his blinds.

Trying to bully other hunters out of crown land and putting "No Hunting/Trespassing" signs up on grazing leases that aren't even currently held by a leaseholder seems to be standard operating procedure for these schmucks.

Can't wait for bear pics by the way.
 
Mighty Peace said:
Most of these so called guides are American outfits from the Southeastern USA...lots from Louisianna, Georgia. They can hunt anywhere in Canada....I think it was the NAFTA that allowed it as migitory birds are federal. They do not have business licenses in the provinces, majority of $$$$ stays down in the USA, except of hotels and meals. The only people they employ locally are maybe a few landowners they buttered up to drive around and be spotters. I have a few friends that have had run-ins with theys operations....not that some of the local Outfitters are any different.

I have had the same situations with big game as a resident hunter and vice versa when I guided for big game. Even some resident hunters have poor hunting edicate and go on land trespassing.

Anyhow, sounds like a sweet bear you got!!! I do the same.....been in an area hunting elk and whitetails for years on crown land, and have had run ins with an outfitter or 2. Sorry guys, been in here hunting before your operations started. :bangHead::popCorn:

Seen alot of this in northern Alberta.
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I didn't realize that Americans can guide up here (Saskatchewan). They might have been, as last year was the first time I'd run into them in my area. Thanks for the heads up.
 
albertaal said:
I didn't realize that Americans can guide up here (Saskatchewan). They might have been, as last year was the first time I'd run into them in my area. Thanks for the heads up.
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Americans have been buying up SK waterfowl outfits (completely legal) as fast as they come on the market. However, there is an increasing number of rogue US "outfitters" operating in all 3 prairie provinces. All the money changes hand south of the border and none of the $ stays in Canada, except for trespass fees, ice and maybe accommodations if they don't own/buy an old farm house. They bring everything else up including barrels of fuel, shells, booze, decoys and food from the USA.
 
Cinch said:
Americans have been buying up SK waterfowl outfits (completely legal) as fast as they come on the market. However, there is an increasing number of rogue US "outfitters" operating in all 3 prairie provinces. All the money changes hand south of the border and none of the $ stays in Canada, except for trespass fees, ice and maybe accommodations if they don't own/buy an old farm house. They bring everything else up including barrels of fuel, shells, booze, decoys and food from the USA.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "rogue"? :confused:

I know for a fact that you have to be a resident to guide in MB, same goes for BC, not sure about SK and AB. That said, you're not legally required to have a guide for waterfowl if you're non-resident anyhow. Americans can buy outfits under certain conditions, but they can't guide, and in BC they must have a Canadian manager IIRC.
 
bearkilr said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "rogue"? :confused:

I know for a fact that you have to be a resident to guide in MB, same goes for BC, not sure about SK and AB. That said, you're not legally required to have a guide for waterfowl if you're non-resident anyhow. Americans can buy outfits under certain conditions, but they can't guide, and in BC they must have a Canadian manager IIRC.
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What they do is pretend to be regular non-resident hunters, who just happen to stay all season and have a continuous stream of "friends".

If it walks like a duck, its probably a duck. If it walks like an illegal outfitter it might be that.
 
Dogleg said:
What they do is pretend to be regular non-resident hunters, who just happen to stay all season and have a continuous stream of "friends".

If it walks like a duck, its probably a duck. If it walks like an illegal outfitter it might be that.
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Well, if what they're doing is illegal, perhaps someone should report it? Just a thought......

And to add, that's not what "cinch" was referring to as apparently these "rogue" outfitters are buying other outfits so they're obviously licensed.
 
Well, if what they're doing is illegal, perhaps someone should report it? Just a thought......
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A few get charged every year.

Cinch seems to make a distinction between "legal" and "rogue", at least the way I read it. Maybe you can read it again.

Also to add to that, if there is a nickel of "tresspass fees" being paid it's illegal in Saskatchewan, and I believe Alberta.
 
Dogleg said:
Also to add to that, if there is a nickel of "tresspass fees" being paid it's illegal in Saskatchewan, and I believe Alberta.
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For which greedy resident landowners are to blame. ;)

But back on topic, I kicked a resident hunter off my treestand/bait last week, I guess it's easier than going through the trouble of setting up a bait. I guess all resident hunters are lazy slobs with no etiquette. :)
 
bearkilr said:
For which greedy resident landowners are to blame. ;)


It takes two to tango.


But back on topic, I kicked a resident hunter off my treestand/bait last week, I guess it's easier than going through the trouble of setting up a bait. I guess all resident hunters are lazy slobs with no etiquette. :)
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There will be conflicts between outfitters and residents as long as both exist.

There will be conflicts about permanent stands and baits as long as they exist on public land. I really don't think there's a good solution. Its rude to hunt in someone else's stand. Its ludicris to think you should be able to claim a section of public land by buying a few boards.
 
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