Pissed off outfitter last night!!!

[bearkilr]

There will be conflicts between outfitters and residents as long as both exist.

There will be conflicts about permanent stands and baits as long as they exist on public land. I really don't think there's a good solution. Its rude to hunt in someone else's stand. Its ludicris to think you should be able to claim a section of public land by buying a few boards.

FYI, it was my private land. Good chance he was a socialist with the usual " what's yours is mine" attitude so prevalent here in MB.

 

[madtrapper143]

I have had a local otfitter set baits right on top of mine. He went so far to ask if I would quit my bait for a week or so while a US hunter hunted the other. I thought it over and came to the following decision, I have a lengthy season to hunt bear, the sport had a week, first bears taken on baits are usually small, the guy from the US was probably just like me+ worked all year or longer to afford a bear hunt and has no idea of the antics of his guide outfitter. I backed off for the week and still took a nice bear. As did the US hunter. My point is please don't slag the hunter it is the outfitter that is the problem. But these well connected outfitters have the MNR's ear and that won't change.

Darryl

 

[Dogleg]

FYI, it was my private land. Good chance he was a socialist with the usual " what's yours is mine" attitude so prevalent here in MB.

Private land changes everything, which is why I was careful to use "public" in my post.

Good luck rooting out the socialists, we punted our NDP but the damage may never be repaired. Too many generations of programing.

 

[Dogleg]

I have had a local otfitter set baits right on top of mine. He went so far to ask if I would quit my bait for a week or so while a US hunter hunted the other. I thought it over and came to the following decision, I have a lengthy season to hunt bear, the sport had a week, first bears taken on baits are usually small, the guy from the US was probably just like me+ worked all year or longer to afford a bear hunt and has no idea of the antics of his guide outfitter. I backed off for the week and still took a nice bear. As did the US hunter. My point is please don't slag the hunter it is the outfitter that is the problem. But these well connected outfitters have the MNR's ear and that won't change.

Darryl

What would you do if he did the same thing next year?

 

[teenahlake]

A local outfitter, was pissed that my cousin was hunting sheep in "His Area" my cousin glassed an airplane landing near his then departing shortly afterward. He then saw his floatplane sailing down the lake. If he could have proved it he would have laid charges

 

[TheTooner]

Well, if what they're doing is illegal, perhaps someone should report it? Just a thought......

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Conservation Officers are well aware of these scams and will try to catch them at it, but if all the money changes hands south of the border and the clients stick to their story, it's very hard to prove.

 

[Cinch]

I'm not sure what you mean by "rogue"?

I know for a fact that you have to be a resident to guide in MB, same goes for BC, not sure about SK and AB. That said, you're not legally required to have a guide for waterfowl if you're non-resident anyhow. Americans can buy outfits under certain conditions, but they can't guide, and in BC they must have a Canadian manager IIRC.

What they do is pretend to be regular non-resident hunters, who just happen to stay all season and have a continuous stream of "friends".

If it walks like a duck, its probably a duck. If it walks like an illegal outfitter it might be that.

Well, if what they're doing is illegal, perhaps someone should report it? Just a thought......

And to add, that's not what "cinch" was referring to as apparently these "rogue" outfitters are buying other outfits so they're obviously licensed.

A few get charged every year.

Cinch seems to make a distinction between "legal" and "rogue", at least the way I read it. Maybe you can read it again.

Also to add to that, if there is a nickel of "tresspass fees" being paid it's illegal in Saskatchewan, and I believe Alberta.

The NR's buying up SK waterfowl outfits are legal operations - NR's can even guide as there is no residency requirements for SK guides. "Rogue outfitters" are guys (resident or non-resident) operating an illegal outfitting business. Most commonly they are, as Dogleg explained, NR's hunting the entire season up here having new friends show up every 3 days. In these cases, no taxes are being collected in Canada, and all the money stays south of border (under the table).

 

[jethunter]

The guide (or more properly the outfitter) deserves to catch hell. If I paid $$ and then ended up in a tree stand a couple hundred yards from the highway I'd a be tad peeved, too.