Pistol advice, P30, VP9 or PPQ
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What about Brownells? Or why not just order one from HKParts.net and pay the premium for a 3rd Party import? At least you'd be up and running again...
Here's a link to the HK45 Springs on HKParts: https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-45-Frame-Parts-c421.htm
You can't order HK parts from Brownells because of some sort of agreement with HK USA to not export HK parts, and paying $50-100 for a $10 spring through third party is ludicrous. It doesn't matter in this one case, because I was able to locate a spring from a Canadian retailer shortly after it broke, but I wanted to get a replacement from NS anyway because parts breaking a couple months into purchase with only 1000 rounds through it is unreasonable for an HK, and I'm not confident it won't break again. I'm just mentioning it because the OP may not be so lucky.
For comparison, and as much as I ##### about the current quality of S&W revolvers, I was able to get parts for my 686 inside of a week from Murray Charlton.
I'm still waiting on a new trigger return spring for my HK45 from North Sylva, and that was a year ago, soooo take that how you will. Parts availability becomes very important when you want to shoot your gun and not have it be a paperweight, no matter how nice a paperweight it looks. It broke with ~1000 rounds through it.
I would email HK Germany to complain if I were you. I had the same issue with trying to get a replacement part from NS and the email I sent to Germany fixed that overnight. It seems HK Germany takes these things seriously.
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I own the SPF9, PPQ Q5 Match amongst other sigs, czs and hks and I used to own the the PPQ M2 Navy. My favourite is the PPQ Q5 Match out of the three you've noted. I found the trigger much better and the 5" match barrel was another loved feature. Its also optics ready. If you are considering a match caliber striker fired pistol, I suggest trying the P320 X5 and the Canik TP9SFx. The canik was a complete surprise and I certainly wasn't expecting how good the gun really is. There was a recoil magazine article last year comparing the P320 x5 and the Canik TP9SFx head to head and even the writers were impressed.
Good luck with your choice.
Good luck with your choice.
You must be joking about the Hudson! Please tell me you weren't serious? The bloom is definitely off of thst rose...
Ar180shooter
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Really? I don't find the trigger on my P30 much worse than my USP's. Combined with the more ergonomic grip on the P30 I find they shoot better.
Ar180shooter
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Took them 2 years to get me a USP match trigger.... I had given up on ever seeing it lol.
r34skyline
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If you aren't creative getting parts for any of them would be challenging and very expensive. The ppq showed up then... disappeared, to my knowledge nobody serious runs one, so for track record, well there is almost none, the newer Hk handguns are not further ahead but have some adoption from what I'm seeing and a handful of relatively serious tests and users.
The ppq and vp9 have good triggers, the p30l in lem... not as good as them, the da/sa is sig level of awful(non srt). If you want button mag the ppq m2 is the obvious choice.
Stock sights I hate the walther, seems to have huge gaps in them, so your call on that, unless you already know what sight to get in which case stock sight is irrelevant.
The Hk controls feel more solid as far as longevity I have no conclusive data so can't tell you whether they actually are or not, the bore axis of the SFP9 is lower than the PPQ and the P30L. If you like the feel of the P30L you will probably also like the SFP9 feel. Maybe even more because the gun sits a little further in your hand.
I am a Hk whore so I would go SFP9 if I were you.
If you buy new, while you should message NS since they are the distributor also email HK directly. Trust me they will light the fire under NS ass to get you the parts you need or to ship that gun back to germany for a fix. If you are like me then just stack them parts deep when you visit the us of a. The Hk handgun parts there except i think the HK45 are also german made to my knowledge.
The ppq and vp9 have good triggers, the p30l in lem... not as good as them, the da/sa is sig level of awful(non srt). If you want button mag the ppq m2 is the obvious choice.
Stock sights I hate the walther, seems to have huge gaps in them, so your call on that, unless you already know what sight to get in which case stock sight is irrelevant.
The Hk controls feel more solid as far as longevity I have no conclusive data so can't tell you whether they actually are or not, the bore axis of the SFP9 is lower than the PPQ and the P30L. If you like the feel of the P30L you will probably also like the SFP9 feel. Maybe even more because the gun sits a little further in your hand.
I am a Hk whore so I would go SFP9 if I were you.
If you buy new, while you should message NS since they are the distributor also email HK directly. Trust me they will light the fire under NS ass to get you the parts you need or to ship that gun back to germany for a fix. If you are like me then just stack them parts deep when you visit the us of a. The Hk handgun parts there except i think the HK45 are also german made to my knowledge.
For those who do not own both (I do), it is often erroneously reported that the SFP-9 has a lower bore axis than the PPQ. This is not accurate, they are identical. As for "nobody seriously runs one", don't put any weight in that statement.
Often Units and Forces run what is cheaper or more popular, or what they have invested in rather than what is better. Lots of good guns out there and if you are running a Glock and along comes another "better" system, the decision must be made,
is it that much better that a change should be made. Considerations such as, Parts in inventory, holsters, mag pouches, all armorers already trained, the supply chain & troops already trained on one system come heavily into play. Asking individual
Officers / Operators what is better and they may agree, the SFP-9 or PPQ is better than a Glock. Better grip, more accurate ect.....but how much better? and worth the huge undertaking to change? Often this answer is probably not. What we currently have
works very well, meets our needs and isn't broke.
But if you have a choice......check out your options.....determine what is important to you.....and pick what you want. Walther is a huge company dominating some precision sport shooting disciplines with a reputation for accuracy. They are not going anywhere and are very popular world wide, so is HK. If you want accuracy out of a factory gun, the Walther PPQ is unbeatable. HK is no slouch either. If you want to play around with changing parts and accessorizing Glock is by far the most popular.
Check them out and see what you like!
Rich
Often Units and Forces run what is cheaper or more popular, or what they have invested in rather than what is better. Lots of good guns out there and if you are running a Glock and along comes another "better" system, the decision must be made,
is it that much better that a change should be made. Considerations such as, Parts in inventory, holsters, mag pouches, all armorers already trained, the supply chain & troops already trained on one system come heavily into play. Asking individual
Officers / Operators what is better and they may agree, the SFP-9 or PPQ is better than a Glock. Better grip, more accurate ect.....but how much better? and worth the huge undertaking to change? Often this answer is probably not. What we currently have
works very well, meets our needs and isn't broke.
But if you have a choice......check out your options.....determine what is important to you.....and pick what you want. Walther is a huge company dominating some precision sport shooting disciplines with a reputation for accuracy. They are not going anywhere and are very popular world wide, so is HK. If you want accuracy out of a factory gun, the Walther PPQ is unbeatable. HK is no slouch either. If you want to play around with changing parts and accessorizing Glock is by far the most popular.
Check them out and see what you like!
Rich
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I like how you insert your bullets backwards. Reminds me of an old picture somewhere..
I'm still waiting on a new trigger return spring for my HK45 from North Sylva, and that was a year ago, soooo take that how you will. Parts availability becomes very important when you want to shoot your gun and not have it be a paperweight, no matter how nice a paperweight it looks. It broke with ~1000 rounds through it.
r34skyline
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
So tell me who has the long term use data to back up how well the gun holds up. At least then there is some data on how it fares. My point is the PPQ has no data on how well it works for how long. It's not like it's a brand new gun. Unless I'm mistaken it came out around the same time as the P30L, yet no one has any hard data on it... my question is why? Very few professional dudes are picking them even for personal sidearms... is it a bad gun? Probably not. But without good data there is no way to prove it. Hard data is irrefutable. Conjecture is not.
As for the unbeatable accuracy, do you have anything that verifies that statement on something more than a sample of one?
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Lungorthin
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The HK and PPQ are both very nice, but I'm more partial to the PPQ M2 mag release.
Btw OP, Nice username
Btw OP, Nice username
The wife just bought an HK SFP9,, I'm really looking forward to trying it out!! I have to admit it is an absolutely beautiful handgun,love the look of it.
I've never had the opportunity to shoot the PPQ, but I sure hear a lot of owners praising it for what an excellent trigger it has and its accuracy,, however I'm surprised that it is not dominating IDPA etc if it is so incredible, and it makes me wonder why? I've also seen Nuthinfancy shoot as good a group with an FNS9LS as he did with a PPQ, so I'm not sure I buy the PPQ " is the MOST accurate striker fired handgun" line. My opinion is that everyone will find the handgun that is the most accurate for them, I'm not a believer that any striker fired gun is inherently more accurate than the rest.
To the OP I would say try them all and buy what works best for you
I've never had the opportunity to shoot the PPQ, but I sure hear a lot of owners praising it for what an excellent trigger it has and its accuracy,, however I'm surprised that it is not dominating IDPA etc if it is so incredible, and it makes me wonder why? I've also seen Nuthinfancy shoot as good a group with an FNS9LS as he did with a PPQ, so I'm not sure I buy the PPQ " is the MOST accurate striker fired handgun" line. My opinion is that everyone will find the handgun that is the most accurate for them, I'm not a believer that any striker fired gun is inherently more accurate than the rest.
To the OP I would say try them all and buy what works best for you
