Pistol advice, P30, VP9 or PPQ

I agree that there is some benefit to having examined a system over a number of years to see it's true longevity. That said, the level of development and testing that is done by some companies (Walther, HK) is very comprehensive. Walther knows what the endurance of their system is (as well as HK). Often these companies put more into research, development and testing than the entire value of smaller gun companies.

In the case of Walther, they have a competitive action shooting team in the US. Some of their members have well over 80K through their PPQ's with no issues or breakage. Walther engineers advise that the captive recoil spring group has a life span of over 30K. Ask a certified Glock Armorer (I happen to be one) what the Glock recommended life span of the recoil spring is.......3K.

That said, one of the biggest hurdles of the PPQ in the action shooting circles is the trigger is meant to be over 5lbs. In practice and after breaking in, they often measure less than 5lbs. This makes for unhappy Production class shooters, if they are ever weighed.
I do admit that recoil is a little snappier with he PPQ, it just doesn't sit as low in the hand as the Glock and the HK SPF seems to not have as much muzzle flip. The average shooter will not notice much accuracy difference between the plastic guns. But for those of us who compete in PPC at 50 meters, with match ammo, there is a difference. I have some trophies to back this up as well.

I'd really like to try the new Glocks, with improved rifling, they are claimed to be more accurate than the older generations. As I said before, find out what is most important to you. If it is trigger and accuracy, then the PPQ is hard to beat. I must mention that I have HK disease. That said, the P30 does not have the best trigger reset for very rapid shooting and it sits a bit high in the hand. I love the SFP. Having said that I find that the PPQ does everything that the SFP does, only better and the paper doesn't lie......better results on paper.

Rich
 
OK Make that a sample of three. My PPQ Match has been outstanding when it comes to accuracy. From a rest I am hitting our 125 yard gong at close to 50% off a rest using my cast Lyman 456492 bullet. The misses can be traced to trigger control not the gun. Like a lot of guns it tends to place the bullets where the gun is pointing. LOL The gun is certainly capable when it comes to shooting accurately. the 1/10th inch reset takes time to master and I am not there yet.

As to Edgy asking about IDPA. Both the SIG 320 and the PPQ went from virtually zero representation at the US Nationals to 10% of the field in 2017. I would expect the SIG in particular to rise further in popularity with the US Army adoption of the gun. The Glock 34 and the M&P iterations still dominate the field and will likely do so for a few more years. From my experience most IDA shooters tend to be brand loyal in a sport where a lot of guns are competitive. From my experience SOing the WA State Match over the last 11 years I would estimate 20% of the field, at least, shoot the gun they regularly carry in the same rig they carry the gun in. The folks that are winning their divisions either seem to run the G34/M&P Pro or the latest and greatest. Odd but it seems the same folks are at or near the top pretty much all the time no matter the gun they shoot. The archer does play a role in all of this.

Given the build quality of the PPQ Match I have little doubt it will be like a lot of guns a reliable performer for me for a very long time. I only have around a thousand rounds on the gun and it just goes bang when loaded and the trigger is pulled. Some of the folks I know in the US who are much better shooters than I say the gun will perform with high end 1911's and that is high praise indeed.

Take Care

Bob
 
I now own all 3 (temporarily- my P30l is on the EE).

They are all amazing pistols. The ability to make them fit your hands, I will give the edge to the P30l and SFP9.... they both feel amazing, better than any pistol I have owned.

I did find the PPQ trigger to SLIGHTLY edge out the SFP9... but not by much. As I have stated previously, I just do not like the P30 hammer trigger, I think that is preference though.

I also found the P30 managed muzzle flip better than the PPQ, which can be snappy. I had to really focus on grip to ensure the red dot fell back on target for follow up shots.

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Canuck44 said:
OK Make that a sample of three. My PPQ Match has been outstanding when it comes to accuracy. From a rest I am hitting our 125 yard gong at close to 50% off a rest using my cast Lyman 456492 bullet. The misses can be traced to trigger control not the gun. Like a lot of guns it tends to place the bullets where the gun is pointing. LOL The gun is certainly capable when it comes to shooting accurately. the 1/10th inch reset takes time to master and I am not there yet.

As to Edgy asking about IDPA. Both the SIG 320 and the PPQ went from virtually zero representation at the US Nationals to 10% of the field in 2017. I would expect the SIG in particular to rise further in popularity with the US Army adoption of the gun. The Glock 34 and the M&P iterations still dominate the field and will likely do so for a few more years. From my experience most IDA shooters tend to be brand loyal in a sport where a lot of guns are coming competitive. From my experience SOing the WA State Match over the last 11 years I would estimate 20% of the field, at least, shoot the gun they regularly carry in the same rig they carry the gun in. The folks that are winning their divisions either seem to run the G34/M&P Pro or the latest and greatest. Odd but it seems the same folks are at or near the top pretty much all the time no matter the gun they shoot. The archer does play a role in all of this.

Given the build quality of the PPQ Match I have little doubt it will be like a lot of guns a reliable performer for me for a very long time. I only have around a thousand rounds on the gun and it just goes bang when loaded and the trigger is pulled. Some of the folks I know in the US who are much better shooters than I say the gun will perform with high end 1911's and that is high praise indeed.

Take Care

Bob
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Thanks for the info Bob, I actually got the chance to run a few mags thru a PPQ Match yesterday and I have to say it was very accurate,,, the trigger however was a bit light for me, I'm not that skilled yet lol, and the super short reset and lightness of the trigger were throwing me off a bit :) it would definitely take some getting used to, especially for a guy who is used to a stock Glock trigger!
 
edgy said:
Thanks for the info Bob, I actually got the chance to run a few mags thru a PPQ Match yesterday and I have to say it was very accurate,,, the trigger however was a bit light for me, I'm not that skilled yet lol, and the super short reset and lightness of the trigger were throwing me off a bit :) it would definitely take some getting used to, especially for a guy who is used to a stock Glock trigger!
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(Still alive, don't read this post)

Edgy, dump the Glock. Buy a PPQ Match. You'll be a happy guy. :cheers:
 
Walther gets my vote! Shot the target on the right first, buddy didn't believe me so I shot the left target right after! The one thing I do miss is the paddle mag release on the M1, but overall very happy.


 
Finally came to a decision. Going to pick up a VP9 (SFP9) from here on the EE (also order a Gen 5 Glock 17 from Rampart once they're in stock).

From there it's a Taurus Judge, some .22LR upper slides for the glocks and a sig and mission accomplished. Successfully got rid of a gun since I had too many :)
 
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