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Ok before you flame me for not searching the forums, I have ive been looking at getting a 9mm pistol cal carbine for a while and keep rethinking my options because I find something else that some one has purchased and loves changing my point of view on the whole thing.
So let's have it
My choices so far are based on affordability and the reviews I've read here and on other forums. Shofar the jr carbine is leading the way but the Thureon defense is a close second.
What about the kel tech and then there's the hi point.
The high point price is good but what's it gonna cost to have it made NR and by doing so do the othe rifles make more sence.
Dilemma dilemma.
 
If it helps you at all - my 9mm JRC has been absolutely flawless since I got it. I would assume I've put a touch over 500 rounds through it.
 
The hipoint barrels can't be changed as I understand it. Even if possible your getting into the same price for the JR carbine anyways.

The Keltec products are like childrens toys and no where near the quality of the JR carbine, and when you look into all the crap you have to add to mount an optic it is not even close to worth it IMHO. Feels like it will break at any moment, although it may not, but the feeling doesn't inspire confidence. There is a reason it sells for $350 stateside!

The JR carbine is by far the best option in a non restricted pistol calibre carbine, although the barrel length makes it look kinda silly.

Adding a longer quadrail/handguard helps make it look a lot better. ;)
 
mlehtovaara said:
The hipoint barrels can't be changed as I understand it. Even if possible your getting into the same price for the JR carbine anyways.

The Keltec products are like childrens toys and no where near the quality of the JR carbine, and when you look into all the crap you have to add to mount an optic it is not even close to worth it IMHO. Feels like it will break at any moment, although it may not, but the feeling doesn't inspire confidence. There is a reason it sells for $350 stateside!

The JR carbine is by far the best option in a non restricted pistol calibre carbine, although the barrel length makes it look kinda silly.

Adding a longer quadrail/handguard helps make it look a lot better. ;)
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That's sort of where I was leaning but wanted to be sure. What about the JR vs the Thureon there is only a couple bills between the two. The main concern was the availability of magazines and the aftermarket sector for the Thureon seems well, elusive. Are they still proprietary mags for the Thureon or can you use, say a glock mag.
I'm leaning more and more towards the JR carbine as my choice based on what I read about it.
 
I've only put about 150 rounds through my JR 9mm, the first owner said he put 200 rounds through it. He claims he had NO issues, no FTE or FTF etc etc, I have had 1 stovepipe round that ruined the brass, and a couple FTE HOWEVER, Just Right recommends jacketed ammo, I mostly shoot just lead RN and all of my malfunctions where with the lead RN rounds. No issues with the few dozen FMJ RN rounds I have shot.

if you do buy the JR, some people say its a pain to break it down and clean it,i recommend buying the wrench to break it down, then its a piece of cake.
 
My 40 Cal JR Carbine has been perfect 500+ rounds and its done up just the way I like it.
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I have a Thureon GA in 9mil that takes glock mag. I paid 10490.00 can $ for it from Arms East.
I bought a JR Carbine last Sept from Wolverine, If I rememberer correctly it was about 989.00 $. So the price difference is minimal.
The Thureon breaks down more like an AR. You pop out 2 pin and it folds open.
With the JR ( as we all know ) one has to remove the butt stock to get at the bolt.
The charging handle on the Thureon keys in under the bolt as you assemble it.
With my JR the charging handle was held on with a lock washer and a hex head bolt.
The Thureon is a little smaller than the JR.
They are both great little plinkers, but as I have posted before.
IMHO I think the Thureon is a little more intelligently designed.

I have had time to put a lot of rounds through my Thureon yet. So I can not vouch for how well it performs . I have a week off starting next monday so I should get up to the range soon.
 
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My 40 Cal JR Carbine has been perfect 500+ rounds and its done up just the way I like it.
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That's something I would consider. It looks very good. I'm not a fan of the regular though.

Frankly I would recommend a 9mm CX4 Storm otherwise. You can convert them to non restricted later on. they handle well and are fairly well made. The only negatives are the web (stock to pistol grip) and the sight hoods which make it a bit more difficult to find the right optic. Works great, lots of fun to shoot. Also you can use beretta 96f mags in it (40 S&W) legally to get 13 rounds of 9mm.

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jr 9mm is awesome im over 5000 rds no problems, non res, 10 rd glock mags, no recoil, accurate at 100 yards with a red dot, whats not to love?
 
I have the hipoint and sub2k, both are decent cheapys.. I've shot the storm and I like how that handles better. However the Sub2k is non-res and cheap.. and can take glock/sig/whatever mags you already have for pistol which is a bonus since mags are expensive.
 
If you can find one get a Ruger PC9. A few came into Canada about 5-7 years ago and they are great! They use regular Ruger auto pistol mags, are accurate and Ruger reliable. While pricey the 9mm ARs (Colt pattern) work great. If you want to cheap out the HiPoint carbines work very well too. However, they take proprietary magazines. I see Ellwood has a few Suomis in 9mm in stock. If the bolt was done right that should be a great little carbine(?) too.
 
I've had a couple of hundred rounds through my JR Carbine 9mm. No problems whatsoever. Its nice and fairly solidly built. But I bought a barrel shroud for it and I might change the quad rail to something longer since you have limited rail space.

But very annoying to break down and clean. I'm thinking about getting a Thureon as well. Does anybody know if there are 10 or more round mags that we can legally use in a Thureon?
 
I was at the gun store today and held one. Really surprised at how well built it was and the weight was even more surprising. Does anyone know if they come with a threaded barrel for a break.
Oh yah see my other thread to see what else i was able to play with at the store today. (Why do we do it to ourselves).
 
Just bought the kel tec sub 2000 sig saur edition and shot 100 rounds of lawman and it ran flawlessly. U cant beat the the size and folding capability in my opinion. The JR rifles are good but their the size of an AR i would just buy an AR.
 
Oh forgot to mention the price too half the price of an JR. I know u get what u pay for but i think for 500 bucks the kel tec is a great option. It is soo much fun to shoot.
 
Bigdonkey said:
That's sort of where I was leaning but wanted to be sure. What about the JR vs the Thureon there is only a couple bills between the two. The main concern was the availability of magazines and the aftermarket sector for the Thureon seems well, elusive. Are they still proprietary mags for the Thureon or can you use, say a glock mag.
I'm leaning more and more towards the JR carbine as my choice based on what I read about it.
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The Thureon GA takes Glock mags. Aftermarket availability? What would be the difference between the two? The TD guns take AR: LPK (incl trigger), Pistol Grip, Stock Assembly, sights, optics, all Picatinny mountable accessories. What are you missing for aftermarket?
 
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