Pistol Choice IDPA
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With the Glock 31c, you can replace the barrel with 'one of factory configuration and original caliber' to shoot in Stock Service Pistol, and if you wanted to shoot it in Enhanced Service Pistol, with 'one of factory configuration' -so yes you could use a .40 S&W barrel if you wanted to shoot it in ESP.
Going back to the 1911, If you do decide on using one, you can detail it such that the stock slide release is not as difficult to release at slide lock, as this would constitute 'Internal reliability work'
As to the Slide release, permitted modifications include the extended thumb and beavertail grip safeties, and extended magazine release button, so as far as I'm concerned the slide release should be good to go...I'd do some more checking on that one.
Going back to the 1911, If you do decide on using one, you can detail it such that the stock slide release is not as difficult to release at slide lock, as this would constitute 'Internal reliability work'
As to the Slide release, permitted modifications include the extended thumb and beavertail grip safeties, and extended magazine release button, so as far as I'm concerned the slide release should be good to go...I'd do some more checking on that one.
Deckard
For SSP - Excluded Modifications (Non-inclusive list)
# 6 Page 21 "A barrel of another caliber that is not offered in the original factory model."
Since the Glock 31C is not offered in .40cal it would not be legal in SSP.
IDPA has ruled Glock conversion barrels are not legal in IDPA. Glocks models are caliber specific and therefore conversion barrels are not allowed in ANY division,
Take Care
Bob Bonenfant
Western Canada Area Corodinator
For SSP - Excluded Modifications (Non-inclusive list)
# 6 Page 21 "A barrel of another caliber that is not offered in the original factory model."
Since the Glock 31C is not offered in .40cal it would not be legal in SSP.
IDPA has ruled Glock conversion barrels are not legal in IDPA. Glocks models are caliber specific and therefore conversion barrels are not allowed in ANY division,
Take Care
Bob Bonenfant
Western Canada Area Corodinator
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Beltfed
Extended slide releases are excluded modifications in both ESP and CDP. The list in the rule book for both divisions is non-inclusive and Robert Ray has ruled extended slide releases are not premitted.
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Bob
Extended slide releases are excluded modifications in both ESP and CDP. The list in the rule book for both divisions is non-inclusive and Robert Ray has ruled extended slide releases are not premitted.
Take Care
Bob
Well, the extended slide release not being okay for lefties kind of grieves me, but at least I know. I'm an outsider, but it seems that IDPA pistol choice is very specified. It seems that I'd need a dedicated IDPA pistol.
Pancake holsters are legal in all divisions.
Pros
-you probably already have one...
-inexpensive models available
-comfortable
Cons
-a smooth draw will require more practice than other types
-harder (until you are used to it) to gain a full grip
Most kydex holsters will work as well, take your choice from a long list of manufacturers. People all have their favorites and you will likely get dozens of opinions on what type is best. My choice is Fobus, it's likely the least expensive but I have never had a problem with any of the 3 that I have.
Yes, rubber slip over grips are good to go as well.
Words Twice
You've probably already seen this but here's the general division breakdown:
Some pistols can be used in more than one division, some in only one. For example :
*Quotes from the IDPA rulebook.
It's generally mods or non-standard pistol models that would rule a gun out of use.
As mentioned, slip-on grips are legal, but why use something that might shift while in use?
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In SSP no, but in ESP yes.
Where in the rule book does it state this? Are you saying it is legal with other pistols but not Glocks?
"Permitted Mods: (SSP)
6. Internal accuracy may be worked to include replacement of barrel with one of factory configuration and original caliber."
"Permitted Mods: (ESP)
3. Internal accuracy work (includes: replacement of the barrel with one of factory configuration, the use of Accu-rails, the use of Briley Bushings)."
Again, where does it state this?
Or, where can we find this list of "non-inclusive" executive rulings?
"In SSP no, but in ESP yes."
No in both divisions.
"Where in the rule book does it state this? Are you saying it is legal with other pistols but not Glocks"
IDPA HQ made a ruling sometime ago. Glock models are caliber specific. There is no Glock 31 in 40 cal made by the factory. Therefore you cannot legally shoot IDPA with a Glock 31 witha 40 cal barrel. A Sig 226 comes in 9MM and 40 cal so a conversion kit could be used. There is no factory Model 31 sold in 40 cal. If there were you could use a conversion barrel. There isn't so you can't.
The excluded modifications is a non-inclusive list. IDPA HQ ruled you cannot use extended slide releases in ESP or CDP.
Take Care
Bob
No in both divisions.
"Where in the rule book does it state this? Are you saying it is legal with other pistols but not Glocks"
IDPA HQ made a ruling sometime ago. Glock models are caliber specific. There is no Glock 31 in 40 cal made by the factory. Therefore you cannot legally shoot IDPA with a Glock 31 witha 40 cal barrel. A Sig 226 comes in 9MM and 40 cal so a conversion kit could be used. There is no factory Model 31 sold in 40 cal. If there were you could use a conversion barrel. There isn't so you can't.
The excluded modifications is a non-inclusive list. IDPA HQ ruled you cannot use extended slide releases in ESP or CDP.
Take Care
Bob
Stevo
Hi Stevo
To my knowledge there is none published. Area Coordinators receive speicific ruling from time to time. As ruling are received from questions specific AC's will post hte rulings on IDPA specific websites. I know I will ask the question next time I am talking to Robert Ray at HQ. Most of these topics have been covered at great length south of the border on this forum:
http://idpaforum.yuku.com
We are posting rulings as they come in on our idpacanada.com forum in the rules section for our members. The Rules Clarification Section is not meant to be where we argue over the rulings but rather where rulings are posted for information purposes. In time we should have most of the rulings covered off. I should add there are not a lot of them to begin with. As you know, if new IDPA shooters would read the first couple of pages of the rule book and take the message to heart then most of these rulings become self evident.
Take Care and Good Shooting
Bob
Hi Stevo
To my knowledge there is none published. Area Coordinators receive speicific ruling from time to time. As ruling are received from questions specific AC's will post hte rulings on IDPA specific websites. I know I will ask the question next time I am talking to Robert Ray at HQ. Most of these topics have been covered at great length south of the border on this forum:
http://idpaforum.yuku.com
We are posting rulings as they come in on our idpacanada.com forum in the rules section for our members. The Rules Clarification Section is not meant to be where we argue over the rulings but rather where rulings are posted for information purposes. In time we should have most of the rulings covered off. I should add there are not a lot of them to begin with. As you know, if new IDPA shooters would read the first couple of pages of the rule book and take the message to heart then most of these rulings become self evident.
Take Care and Good Shooting
Bob
Then how about a non vented .357 barrel popped into a G31C?
Also, about conversions. Some pistols, like the Witness large frame, are designed for conversion to smaller calibers. Some come with two slides and calibers. Maybe that is like the SIG. Since I have neither, it is hypothetical.
FWIW, I am also thinking about the getting one of the following 24/7, K100, SP9 or an XD in 9mm. Probably the affordable way to go ammo wise anyhow.
Also, about conversions. Some pistols, like the Witness large frame, are designed for conversion to smaller calibers. Some come with two slides and calibers. Maybe that is like the SIG. Since I have neither, it is hypothetical.
FWIW, I am also thinking about the getting one of the following 24/7, K100, SP9 or an XD in 9mm. Probably the affordable way to go ammo wise anyhow.
Deckard
The Tangfoglio (Witness in the US) models are available in various calibers. I have the Tanfoglio Model "L" in 9MM with the two kits available ie. .22LR and .40cal. The .40cal is legal in IDPA because the Model "L" is available in 9MM, .40cal which is consistent with the ruling.
Certainly in Canada, if you don't reload, the 9MM is by far the least expensive to shoot and there are all kinds of choices of firearms available to you in that caliber. Find one you like, and go for it. Check the rule book to ensure the pistol you are buying conforms to the division you wnat to shoot in and have a blast.
Take Care
Bob
The Tangfoglio (Witness in the US) models are available in various calibers. I have the Tanfoglio Model "L" in 9MM with the two kits available ie. .22LR and .40cal. The .40cal is legal in IDPA because the Model "L" is available in 9MM, .40cal which is consistent with the ruling.
Certainly in Canada, if you don't reload, the 9MM is by far the least expensive to shoot and there are all kinds of choices of firearms available to you in that caliber. Find one you like, and go for it. Check the rule book to ensure the pistol you are buying conforms to the division you wnat to shoot in and have a blast.
Take Care
Bob
