Pistol grips - good or bad?
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Hotwheels81
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its all personal preference... shooting skeet with some friends we had several shotgun's with several types of pistol grip's and a few traditional single/double/semi/pump's... a pistol grip gives you more control in certain situations and as mentioned by others it help's position the butt and improve shouldering but if your used to a traditional type stock everyone who tried the 870/500/fabarm/valtro with PG's dident much care for them as i dident care for the cooey/double/browning/870 with non pistol grip stocks...
that being said i will note that not all non pistol grip stocks are equal either... some have a far different angle on the grip such as the browning wich i had to allmost dislocate my wrist to get my finger on the trigger but the old double fit me very nicely...
gun's are like shoes.... not every size 12 foot works in every size 12 shoe, you try different ones till you find one that is perfect.
Sonny, Win/64 knows how to read O.K. but his memory is not what it used to be and it is understandable that the old fart forgot the first post.
Besides he is too busy on the soap on a rope thread that he started
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Do you mean a full pistol grip a.k.a. mall ninja, or a pistol grip, as opposed to an english straight stock?
Well there's more than one type of pistol grip on a shotgun "little boy". Any Shotgun with a stock, has a butt stock.
What is with this obsession with butt
Ever since you have been cut off by the sheep guy you don't seem to be yourself Get a grip! eh?
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That's exactly what I was trying to find out. Hence the 2 pic's I posted but all I get for my troubles is some poof calling me an "old timer"
Really? .
Here's a tradtional stock, off a mosin nagant. I still see them on nice english shotguns, and also on lever action rifles.
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Here is an example of the pistol grip that I am thinking of. I am not necessarily interested in getting this particular shotgun. The other "pistol grips" that you have posted, I've never seen on a pistol so I would never have thought of them as pistol grips. But I see what you're getting at.
Virtually all current assault rifles such as the AR15, AK47, Tavor and submachineguns like the MP5 and UMP have pistol grips. Are shotgun designers just slow to follow in the design/ergonomics or is there an advantage to having a more traditional stock (ex. to tame recoil)?
my 870p went from the factory stock, to the Hogue 12" LOP, to the (currently installed) Mesa LEO telescopic stock...
imo, the LEO was by far the best for a tactical situation. sure, the Mesa LEO looks cooler (to some), but there is no way it is functionally better. not to mention that i feel the Hogue 12" LOP (or factory stock) is a more natural position for your hand to be in. if the pistol grips were so good, they would have made them like that 100 years ago. to me, it feels much better when carrying/ shooting/ lifting/ carrying/ holding/ whatever i'm doing w/ it in one hand (LOL), etc...
just for reference the Mesa Tactical LEO is on top and the Hogue 12" LOP is on bottom.
imo, the LEO was by far the best for a tactical situation. sure, the Mesa LEO looks cooler (to some), but there is no way it is functionally better. not to mention that i feel the Hogue 12" LOP (or factory stock) is a more natural position for your hand to be in. if the pistol grips were so good, they would have made them like that 100 years ago. to me, it feels much better when carrying/ shooting/ lifting/ carrying/ holding/ whatever i'm doing w/ it in one hand (LOL), etc...
just for reference the Mesa Tactical LEO is on top and the Hogue 12" LOP is on bottom.
Shotgun designers understand that their product will mostly be used to shoot flying targets. They stick with stock designs more suited for that purpose and that have been proven over a more than a century. The full stock with separate pistol grip doesn't work as well for this purpose due to the position it puts the rear hand relative to the forward hand. A few trap guns have been tried with thumbhole stocks but they were not well received.
The full stock with separate pistol grip that you posted is a recent development in shotgunning and has limited applications primarily where the shotgun is used more like a rifle such as deer or turkey hunting.
It also has an evident appeal to aspring tactical tonies, mall ninjas and other assorted know-nothings who invest hundreds of dollars into perfectly serviceable shotguns for the sole purpose of looking like wannabe badasses at the range. YMMV.
That's exactly what I was trying to find out. Hence the 2 pic's I posted but all I get for my troubles is some poof calling me an "old timer"
How come this "little boy" knew what he was talking about
thats ok though, a lot of old fellas suffer from dementia
Here is an example of the pistol grip that I am thinking of. I am not necessarily interested in getting this particular shotgun. The other "pistol grips" that you have posted, I've never seen on a pistol so I would never have thought of them as pistol grips. But I see what you're getting at.
Virtually all current assault rifles such as the AR15, AK47, Tavor and submachineguns like the MP5 and UMP have pistol grips. Are shotgun designers just slow to follow in the design/ergonomics or is there an advantage to having a more traditional stock (ex. to tame recoil)?
Thanks for clearing up what you meant by "Pistol grip". A shotgun is not like an "assault rifle" it is pointed not aimed. The only use I could see for your style of "pistol grip" would be for Turkey or Deer hunting (or shooting potatoes) where the gun is aimed. One of the guys at our club brought out his "Tactical Shotgun" with a "pistol grip" to shoot Trap with. He put it away after 12 shots. Couldn't stand the recoil with target loads.
