Pistol Gurus -- PatMac, WPS, etc

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Since I'm stuck at home, I'm wondering if anyone has any tips about an "online" pistol course worth taking that also incorporates drills one can set up at home, etc.

I've gleaned exceedingly useful information from Rob Leatham, Pat McNamara, John Lovell, as well as Tu Lam (not so much in the sense of fundamentals as much as application -- he talked about the fallacy of double-taps, the realities of round counts, and has some good integration of martial arts principles in terms of balance, etc).

John (Warrior Poet Society) will have his Pistol 1 course on the WPS network, Pat Mcnamara has his Sentinel DVD (not that expensive), and I'm not sure about other video courses. Pat is probably the most interesting and I'd love to get a more thorough understanding of what he teaches.

Any tips? I know you can find a lot of info on YT but it's rather fragmented.
 
I’ve found a great deal of benefit in social media during the past few years. Almost every professional and well vetted instructor posts invaluable information free of charge. While not an offical course per se, it can be a great tool at no cost to the end user.

It’s also easy to separate the professionals from the yahoos.
 
Ben Stoeger's books are excellent (especially if you're are more disciplined that me). For me, buying books is easy, but dry-firing is hard.
 
Take a look at some of Bob Keller's stuff on Panteo - he's only the second guy I've ever heard tell the absolute truth about "advanced" pistol shooting in plain terms. The first was Earl Green. If you get a chance to take one of Earl's courses, do it.
 
Get the panteo productions subscription

Dozens of courses from everyone from jeff cooper, travis haliey, pat mac, john lovell, the late pat rogers etc etc. Well worth the $19 a month. No limit on how much you can watch, and its %40 off right now for easter

Here rare the instructors, literally a whos who of guns:

https://panteao.com/instructors/

Shawn
 
Rohann said:
Thanks for the tips.

enefgee: What do you mean by "absolute truth"?
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The absolute truth about "advanced shooting techniques" is that they don't exist - most instructors get caught up in the idea that you develop a different kind of skill in shooting more and more difficult drills - you don't. Shooting at a high level is simply the ability to perform the basics, on demand, in any physical circumstance and under any stress. In truth it's about your ability to repeat the same things, over and over. If you can do the same basic functions, you will hit the target - quick or slow, standing sitting, prone and with both, or either hand. 1% of shooting is technique, the other 99% is between your ears. The "advanced" drills are more fun, but you will only do well on them if you reduce everything to the basics.

A Panteo subscription is a great idea it'll help you find drills that will make shooting more fun. I still want to try Super Dave's treadmill drill for real, I tried it with a SERT pistol once and ended up *ss over teakettle - hilarious.
 
shawn said:
Get the panteo productions subscription

Dozens of courses from everyone from jeff cooper, travis haliey, pat mac, john lovell, the late pat rogers etc etc. Well worth the $19 a month. No limit on how much you can watch, and its %40 off right now for easter

Here rare the instructors, literally a whos who of guns:

https://panteao.com/instructors/

Shawn
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Didn't know this was a thing! Thank you.
 
enefgee said:
The absolute truth about "advanced shooting techniques" is that they don't exist - most instructors get caught up in the idea that you develop a different kind of skill in shooting more and more difficult drills - you don't. Shooting at a high level is simply the ability to perform the basics, on demand, in any physical circumstance and under any stress. In truth it's about your ability to repeat the same things, over and over. If you can do the same basic functions, you will hit the target - quick or slow, standing sitting, prone and with both, or either hand. 1% of shooting is technique, the other 99% is between your ears. The "advanced" drills are more fun, but you will only do well on them if you reduce everything to the basics.

A Panteo subscription is a great idea it'll help you find drills that will make shooting more fun. I still want to try Super Dave's treadmill drill for real, I tried it with a SERT pistol once and ended up *ss over teakettle - hilarious.
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Ah gotcha, that's what I suspected. Pat and similar drill mastery of the basics -- anything other than that is basics applied intuitively under stressful conditions. It was revelatory to see him, Leatham, Sig instructors and others talk about how stance, posture, alignment etc are situational and relatively inconsequential when you master the basics of trigger pull and recoil management.
I always used to want to go to the range and play "Collateral" but I'm more interested in dry-firing at home and getting basics down.

I have to see this treadmill drill.
 
enefgee said:
The absolute truth about "advanced shooting techniques" is that they don't exist - most instructors get caught up in the idea that you develop a different kind of skill in shooting more and more difficult drills - you don't. Shooting at a high level is simply the ability to perform the basics, on demand, in any physical circumstance and under any stress. In truth it's about your ability to repeat the same things, over and over. If you can do the same basic functions, you will hit the target - quick or slow, standing sitting, prone and with both, or either hand. 1% of shooting is technique, the other 99% is between your ears. The "advanced" drills are more fun, but you will only do well on them if you reduce everything to the basics.
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Bingo! Focus, concentration, presence of mind, mind set.

Shooting like most if not all sports, is mental game. One of my very best friends that I practically grew up with, (and enjoyed RC model aircraft, rode motorcycles like there was no tomorrow and shot/competed with, he was also an aerobatic pilot) rose to become national champion in my old country. He was a factory shooter for a company that manufactured ammo and firearms, including the STI Spartan.

When I asked him what his secret to winning was, he said it was his mind set. He didn't consider IPSC matches as games. Each course of fire was a matter of life and death for him. Hostages were his family, girl friend, children. And he doesn't take prisoners.
 
Shawn, I believe it is up to me to decide if I am getting my money's worth out of this or not. Value is the importance or worth of something for someone, that someone, in this case, is me. I have zero regrets, but my goals are different from the vast majority of the firearms owners in this country, and I can see how this might not be for everyone.
 
"When you buy a TV, you don't buy Sony if you want RCA." - Jackie
 
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