Pistol skills lacking

I agree.
I was use to shooting my CZ & happy with the results......I bought the Glock 17 & couldn't hit paper LOL

A fellow at the range said " its a Duty gun, not a target pistol". I nodded ok....then sold it.

You not hitting paper had little to do with it being a Glock.
 
I'm humming over buying a glock. I rented out a 17 and 19 gen 4 at the local range and was surprised that I shot them better than my CZ SP-01. Some guns just fit certain hands better.
 
Or you can just get a CZ 75 SP-01 Phantom and see your group sizes shrink almost miraculously. Attached is a 15 yard slow fire target shooting handloads out of my CZ.
Nope. Don't do that. Stick with the Glock because it's a magnifying glass on your fundamentals. I say this as a Shadow owner.

Re-read the comments about seeking a great coach who will not only show you what to do, but who will teach you how to self-diagnose your shooting. That's how I teach. I guide, observe, and everything I glean from their targets and/or grip, gun movement, etc, I share with the shooter. I need them to self-diagnose what they are doing when they are at the range alone. The thing is, left unchecked, bad habits can become ingrained, and tough to eliminate. So I start teaching them how to self-diagnose their shooting from the very first session.

Slavex's other comments about the effort it takes to improve can also be extended to a degradation of skills when you aren't practicing. Last summer, my one handed shooting was quite decent. Then I didn't do anything for months. Tried it again on Sunday and I really sucked! Pushing shots everywhere. It took 150+ rounds to get it mostly back. Still have more work to do to get back to where I was.

It's a fun journey. Enjoy!
 
Or you can just get a CZ 75 SP-01 Phantom and see your group sizes shrink almost miraculously. Attached is a 15 yard slow fire target shooting handloads out of my CZ.

15 Yard - CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow by Mark Stead, on Flickr

Yes ! get a CZ sp-01. These are the same results I had with mine. Awsome Gun for sure. I'm telling ya,,,you wont be disappointed

these guns are ACCURATE right out of the box.! nothing to tweak....no need for upgraded sites,, no muss no fuss....just point, click & shoot.
 
all this talk about just use this target or that target, or dryfire or watch a video, WRONG. All that is going to do is have the OP reinforcing bad habits he doesn't know he has. Take a class there are people across this country who can teach and offer lessons, find one. Learn what you're supposed to do, learn how to recognize when you are doing things you're not supposed to do. Then practice.
 
When I started pistol shooting a couple years ago, after decades on rifle/shotgun shooting, I realized that I didn't really have a clue about deliberate technique (Stance, grip, aiming, trigger pull). I realized that I needed some kind of conscious technique. As a DIY person I ordered The Perfect Pistol Shot, by Albert H. League for about $12. I found his instruction to be common sense and easy to understand. Basically a series of related simple concepts that are quick to learn and take longer to master – reminds me of golfing.

Transformed my shooting. FWIW I found the trigger pull requires the most work for me, especially with striker fired pistols.
 
all this talk about just use this target or that target, or dryfire or watch a video, WRONG. All that is going to do is have the OP reinforcing bad habits he doesn't know he has. Take a class there are people across this country who can teach and offer lessons, find one. Learn what you're supposed to do, learn how to recognize when you are doing things you're not supposed to do. Then practice.

You won't find better advice on getting better - probably applies to more than just shooting too...
 
all this talk about just use this target or that target, or dryfire or watch a video, WRONG. All that is going to do is have the OP reinforcing bad habits he doesn't know he has. Take a class there are people across this country who can teach and offer lessons, find one. Learn what you're supposed to do, learn how to recognize when you are doing things you're not supposed to do. Then practice.

This. As a beginner myself, I recommend seeking out the best instructors you can find. There is no substitute for a practiced eye observing you while you shoot and making corrections to your technique.
 
OP, I’ve posted these before. Here’s two before targets a day or two before the fundamentals class and two from the second day of the class, pretty noticeable difference. Like Slavex and others have said, seek some instruction from someone if you want to improve your shooting quickly.

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Before class, 10-15yds

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During class, 10-15yds as well

This was with a bone stock gen1 S&W M&P9, 124g federal fmj
 
Every time you go out and practice without knowing what you are doing you are reinforcing bad habits. I get the wanting to go out and put down range some lead, I really do. I spent nearly a decade doing that without knowing what I was doing. Throw in some "friends" who liked to mess with my sights when I wasn't looking and all I was doing was wasting ammo (yes they suffered for that later lol). Learning the correct grip, body position etc all the way down to how to pull the trigger, and finally, how to self diagnose are what sets apart those who merely plink and those who actually shoot. Men especially have an issue with seeking out instruction for things, our ego gets in the way and even once we have sought help, the ego makes us fight what we are being told. You don't know what you don't know, and that will hurt your ability to improve.
 
...Men especially have an issue with seeking out instruction for things, our ego gets in the way and even once we have sought help, the ego makes us fight what we are being told. You don't know what you don't know, and that will hurt your ability to improve.
This is so true! I love working with women for that reason. They actually listen! lol!

My favourite was a mother and her 15 yr old daughter. They shot .22 rifles before, but never a handgun. The daughter was intimidated, so the mother went first. She listened and did exactly what I said. Her reward was a toonie-sized, 10 shot group, at 5 yds. Her daughter's first group was a little bit larger than a toonie. Talk about a perfect intro to handgun shooting! After that I was able to pick a place on the target, and either of them could shoot within 1 inch of whatever spot I chose.

Contrast that to guys I come across who start flinching, ignore my advice, and then move their sights to account for the flinch or aim for the top right of the target to hit the bullseye. (sigh)
 
Every time you go out and practice without knowing what you are doing you are reinforcing bad habits. I get the wanting to go out and put down range some lead, I really do. I spent nearly a decade doing that without knowing what I was doing. Throw in some "friends" who liked to mess with my sights when I wasn't looking and all I was doing was wasting ammo (yes they suffered for that later lol). Learning the correct grip, body position etc all the way down to how to pull the trigger, and finally, how to self diagnose are what sets apart those who merely plink and those who actually shoot. Men especially have an issue with seeking out instruction for things, our ego gets in the way and even once we have sought help, the ego makes us fight what we are being told. You don't know what you don't know, and that will hurt your ability to improve.

I want to learn more and am looking for coaching, but seems hard to find in some areas. I belong to the biggest gun club in my area and there aren't any posters on the club bulletin board or on the clubs website about basic coaching. It's all advanced IPSC coaching or black badge. I'd like more fundamental knowledge before doing a black badge.
 
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