Pistol storage
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So to sum up.......
1. Trigger locks are not required on restricted firearms if they are stored in a safe
2. If your secure lockable container is not a 'safe' then the restricted firearms stored within must wear a trigger lock (or similar devise)
So for example....
A surplussed high school locker is not considered a 'safe' and although locked still requires restricted firearms to be stored with a trigger lock.
There seems to be debate on this correct?
1. Trigger locks are not required on restricted firearms if they are stored in a safe
2. If your secure lockable container is not a 'safe' then the restricted firearms stored within must wear a trigger lock (or similar devise)
So for example....
A surplussed high school locker is not considered a 'safe' and although locked still requires restricted firearms to be stored with a trigger lock.
There seems to be debate on this correct?
Instead of going nuts with the guns looking system , We should go crazy locking the the Ammunition. without Ammunition firearms are less dangerous then a baseball bat or a kitchen knife.
Because you need a pal to buy Ammo no need to worry, criminals dont have PAL so they can can have ammo so they cant kill using a firearm .
thank God Canada created a law that require a Pal to buy Ammo I feel so safe
We need a law for golf club and baseball bat ...soo dangerous . they should be keep in a vault when not in use
Because you need a pal to buy Ammo no need to worry, criminals dont have PAL so they can can have ammo so they cant kill using a firearm .
thank God Canada created a law that require a Pal to buy Ammo I feel so safe
We need a law for golf club and baseball bat ...soo dangerous . they should be keep in a vault when not in use
Wolfstrack
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x2 polaris, you're 100% right, most of the storage questions make no-no sense when/if you have a PAL
here, I fixed it for you
You guys offering opinions on what a safe is does not change the lack of a legal definition.
...and since the law doesn't define what safe means, the principles of justice require the judge to side with the accused and accept the definition from the Black's dictionary.
ps: and quite telling what you would do as a judge because you're not one and you wouldn't should you be one.
OK, how about this:
In your opinion, is a fire-rated safe, such as those Sentry 1100s that one can buy relatively cheaply off CT, qualify as a safe? It is lockable, comes with bolt-downs that allow one to bolt it to a large piece of furniture/floor/WHY, and...I believe its definition is "fire-safe". Just asking here...
In your opinion, is a fire-rated safe, such as those Sentry 1100s that one can buy relatively cheaply off CT, qualify as a safe? It is lockable, comes with bolt-downs that allow one to bolt it to a large piece of furniture/floor/WHY, and...I believe its definition is "fire-safe". Just asking here...
Back on topic: I have one of those "shoe storage" thingys with the clear plastic pockets that I hang on the inside of my locker door. One pistol for each pocket.
Like this:
Great idea, thanks Steve you justsolved my problem.
Take Care
Bob
Restricted and prohibited firearms
Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into;
or
Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
For an automatic firearm, also remove the bolt or bolt carrier (if removable) and lock it in a separate room that is hard to break into.
Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into;
or
Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
For an automatic firearm, also remove the bolt or bolt carrier (if removable) and lock it in a separate room that is hard to break into.
I have a steel locker. It has concrete poured inside all the sides. It has been modified further with 3 locks on the door. It is one heavy SOB. Is this a safe?
Am I fooling myself in thinking that a judge will sinmply say yes?
By the way (to the OP), like a few have already mentioned. I also covered my shelves with padded material to protect my psitols.
I would also recommend getting some desiccant pouches in there.
Am I fooling myself in thinking that a judge will sinmply say yes?
By the way (to the OP), like a few have already mentioned. I also covered my shelves with padded material to protect my psitols.
I would also recommend getting some desiccant pouches in there.
You seem to be thinking the law is meant to protect your guns from theft when in fact is meant to prevent you from getting easy access to a gun in a fit of fury.
And since you have the key, the size of the safe is irrelevant.
Can you quote me one Canadian legal case where anyone has been convicted for storing unloaded but trigger-unlocked handguns in a sheet metal enclosure?
If you do I will shut up. Else you should stfu.
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As long as the law doesn't say what a safe is, the regular dictionary definition will do. Else how could people know what's lawful and what's not?
Any lawyer would have a hay day in court for such a charge.
think people, think!
Safe
–noun
8. a steel or iron box or repository for money, jewels, papers, etc.
9. any receptacle or structure for the storage or preservation of articles: a meat safe.
10. (in plumbing)
a. a pan for catching leakage.
b. template (def. 7).
11. Slang. a condom.
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I never read this law as meaning a "safe that has been built or modified specifically to store firearms safely, a vault that has been built or modified specifically to store firearms safely or room that has been built or modified specifically to store firearms safely". The "been built or modified specifically to store firearms" bit only applies to a room. I have a buddy whos a gunsmith, for example. In his basement, he has a separate room with reinforced wall and a padlock on the door so he can just leave unloaded guns in there without trigger locks and whatnot. A safe is a safe, it doesn't need modification to hold a gun.
I read the law as "Lock the firearms in A) a vault or B) a safe or C) a room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
My old gunsmith never locked restricted or non-restricted with trigger locks. He was completely legal in his use of a room (actually multiple rooms) created to be not easily broken into.
Makes you wonder what inspectors look for in safes and rooms.
Makes you wonder what inspectors look for in safes and rooms.
Here is the definition for safe from Wikipedia please read the WHOLE thing:
http://www.google.ca/url?q=http://e...pAMoBw&usg=AFQjCNEa-IWy0ZX6QZ6sTX7WeslLk2lZgw
in the Canadian firearms act it states clearly, that you have to store your restricted and prohibeted firearms (when not trigger locked)
locked in a safe, vault or a securely-locked room built or adapted for the safe storage of restricted or prohibited firearms
Here is a question for you Mr. Einstein:
How do we call a safe which is built or adapted for the safe storage of guns ?
Yes, you got it! Bravo.. a gun safe of course...
Now all you have to do is search the web for Gun Safes; this should give you an idea, what they should look like.
Hope you followed me and this was not to tuff for you.
Thank you and please STOP spreading this garbage of misinformation!
easyrider604
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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Polaris, perhaps another way of interpreting the language of the regulation above is that the "securely locked room" is "built or adapted for the safe storage of restricted and prohibited firearms". The latter phrase refers to the "securely locked room", but not to "safe, vault". Just saying.
Is there a safe manufacturers' building code that sets a standard for design, construction and materials for a 'gun safe' that all manufacturers need to adhere to, before they can call a safe, a "gun safe"? Or any manufacturer can design his own and call it a "gun safe"?
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Pistol Case with a padlock, and a trigger lock. This is legal for storage and does not prevent theft at all. I dont understand why people believe they have to somehow prevent theft.
I think it stems from the laws regarding careless use/storage, but it makes sense that if you are following the Firearms Act you are being careful enough.
