Pistol
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Honestly, people in my company carry four tools.
a 12ga in grizzly country (the extreme bring handgun too)
10mm or better in every other situations
Plus usally always carry spray and bangers
each has its own application.
Yes, some may say its over the top, but we increase our risk everytime we enter the bush.
New York fireman used to never wear breathing apperatus fighting fires and now they don't dare go near fire with out it. It's not a macho thing anymore. Do what you feel is the best level of protection for yourself.
a 12ga in grizzly country (the extreme bring handgun too)
10mm or better in every other situations
Plus usally always carry spray and bangers
each has its own application.
Yes, some may say its over the top, but we increase our risk everytime we enter the bush.
New York fireman used to never wear breathing apperatus fighting fires and now they don't dare go near fire with out it. It's not a macho thing anymore. Do what you feel is the best level of protection for yourself.
super dave
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I would suggest you do some research on the ballistics of the calibers you are considering. All the advice on here comes with varied experience and can be very subjective. Go to a couple of ammunition websites and check out their ballistics and aplication suggetions. Federal site is good.
This comes down to what you will be most comfortable shooting without hesitation and with accuracy under pressure.
Definitely for medium game and larger a .357 mag is minimum. From there stick with magnum rounds like .41 mag and .44 mag. Fro these go to the monsters like .454 or .500.
9mm, .40 S&W, .45ACP are all specfied for personal defence against humans.
This comes down to what you will be most comfortable shooting without hesitation and with accuracy under pressure.
Definitely for medium game and larger a .357 mag is minimum. From there stick with magnum rounds like .41 mag and .44 mag. Fro these go to the monsters like .454 or .500.
9mm, .40 S&W, .45ACP are all specfied for personal defence against humans.
Calum said:Yup nothing like being chased back to your truck by a Bear.
It was those close grizzly encounters where they are trying to decide if you are prey that convinced me that the hassle of getting an ATC and carrying the weight of a good handgun and ammo were worth it.
Black bears only, a .357 magnum with heavy hardcast bullets is OK in ideal conditions but a .44 magnum would be better.
Brown or polar bears, .44 magnum with heavy hardcast bullets or better.
Thanks for all of you who gave me some pointers
much appreciated
I am more towards a semi auto rather then revolver the way I look at it is like this. Revolver holds 8 rounds on average semi auto carries 10 plus one in chamber if you willing to go that way. So my analogy is like this if I can bring down a bear with one to two shots GREAT and if for some reason I need to put more in I think loading semi auto is a bit quicker not to mention 2 more shots. I was going to get a desert eagle .357 however its a bit heave about 10.5 lbs without ammo
If someone could recommend a reliable gun which will give me perfomance under extreme cold conditions I would be interested to hear from them
For now I only have the .45 so I was exploring to see if I should consider to take it out with the thinking of either have one gun or none at all
Wad cutters or semi wads will have a better penetration and less of a chance to bounce off the head
As to hollow points hummmmmmm not entirely convinced and full metal jackets have the cutting throught age however you have to consider whats beyound a target
Again any input would be appreciated
much appreciated
I am more towards a semi auto rather then revolver the way I look at it is like this. Revolver holds 8 rounds on average semi auto carries 10 plus one in chamber if you willing to go that way. So my analogy is like this if I can bring down a bear with one to two shots GREAT and if for some reason I need to put more in I think loading semi auto is a bit quicker not to mention 2 more shots. I was going to get a desert eagle .357 however its a bit heave about 10.5 lbs without ammo
If someone could recommend a reliable gun which will give me perfomance under extreme cold conditions I would be interested to hear from them
For now I only have the .45 so I was exploring to see if I should consider to take it out with the thinking of either have one gun or none at all
Wad cutters or semi wads will have a better penetration and less of a chance to bounce off the head
As to hollow points hummmmmmm not entirely convinced and full metal jackets have the cutting throught age however you have to consider whats beyound a target
Again any input would be appreciated
^you probably wouldnt have time for multiple shots anyways. The Desert Eagle is buggy without proper ammo selection in .357. IMI even has a specified ammo selection list for it. Have you thought about a Glock 20 in 10mm? some of these super hand cannons look nice, but I wonder how many people could hit anything with a fast fired second shot.
I always like the numbers from the .454 Casull.
I always like the numbers from the .454 Casull.
colinjw said:
A high velocity hollowpoint would probably be about the worst load you could use. On a dangerous animal with thick skin, muscle, and bone, you would want the maximum penetration possible. You WILL NOT achieve that with a high velocity hollowpoint. You need hot loads and hard cast bullets, which dont lose energy to deformation but keep on plowin' right through.
glock 20. enough said. 10mm power with the reliability of a glock. And its fairly easy to carry. Not too heavy etc. When i get my ATC for wilderness that will be my weapon of choice. Hope that helps. Due to cost of ammo, its not a gun I would go shooting 1000 rds a month with. If you want to do that buy a glock 22 or 17.
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Good on you for getting your ATC. Alot of people here will envy you because of it.
My suggestion would be the Smith & Wesson 500 Magnum...Go big or you might not make it home.
S&W 500MAG
Shizzzzzzzzzzzaaammmm!!! It's already claimed all sorts of bears and much bigger game.
I'd like to see an animal that would survive that beast.
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Coon said:
Shoot me. I'm more than man enough to withstand the blast of that pop gun.
Wow, I've learned from yet another bear defense thread. For years I have been packing a 357 in the bush when fishing or mushroom picking. ( My Marlin carbine of course not my Model 19 prohib) The gun was loaded with full house loads and Gold Dot hollow point bullets. Before the next time out I will be loading up with hard cast bullets. It would never have occured to me that hard cast would be better than hollow point. I hope this is information you can take to the bank.Cocked&Locked said:
Do not take a normal .45 ACP for Bear
Please look under WILDERNESS CARRY MIN.CALIBER from 11-25-06.
Quite some good advise from people who "have been there" !!!
Myself included.
A Glock 20 in 10mm or a Colt Delta Elite is an outstanding performer.
And, yes, you do have time for multiple shots if needed at all.
Deep bullet penetration is a must for bears.
Cast bullets "perform" also very well.
The only "advise" I can give is : Practise..practise under time pressure !
Shotgun with 00 Buck at close range can not be beaten by any handgun,
painperdou said:
Please look under WILDERNESS CARRY MIN.CALIBER from 11-25-06.
Quite some good advise from people who "have been there" !!!
Myself included.
A Glock 20 in 10mm or a Colt Delta Elite is an outstanding performer.
And, yes, you do have time for multiple shots if needed at all.
Deep bullet penetration is a must for bears.
Cast bullets "perform" also very well.
The only "advise" I can give is : Practise..practise under time pressure !
Shotgun with 00 Buck at close range can not be beaten by any handgun,
