pistols in the bush?

Why do you need a pistol?

Pistols are for bad people like robbers and rapists.
If you shot a pistol holding it sideways and tilt your head a little, you could kill 6 people with one shot.

Imagine what would happen to us if we took pistols in the bush. :eek:
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The sad fact is, some people think like this.
 
Boomer74 said:
1) OP asks "why can't me & Dad biring a .22 pistol into the wilderness?"

2) OP says "Really, I wonder what a CO or anyone would do? It's only a .22"


That is blatantly discussing/suggesting "breaking the law".

Period... I suggest you "get a grip" on your reading skills, stop being so naive, & quit defending someone who's obviously breaking rules & wanting to break laws.

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Chill out man.:slap:

At no point did the OP state he has broken or will break the law. You are reading into what he wrote.

The appropriate thing to post would be: That's illegal. Don't do it, and the CO will, and rightly should, take issue with it.

BTW welcome to the forum. :welcome:

I'm sure you'll make lots of new friends...:rolleyes:
 
saders said:
cuz if you take your hand gun in the woods u might hurt a tree
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.45 ACP "hurt" FTW ?...:redface:

sweet09 said:
what is the reason for not being able to biring a .22 pistol into the wilderness. my dad and i just want to be able to take a .22 pistol into the bush and just do some plinking.
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A very good question is "why are .22's considered "nogo's" in terms of antique status" !....:(
 
To qualify for an ATC, your application must support a commercial activity. The reasons for carrying a pistol can be to humanly dispatch trapped animals in the case of a trapper operating on a registered trap line (as opposed to those who trap on a community line) or for protection from wild animals, if you can adequately persuade the CFO that due to the nature of your work you cannot protect yourself with a long gun. If you are an employee, your employer must sign off on your application. You must submit a letter from your local range officer stating that you are proficient with the gun you choose to carrying. The gun must be carried openly and not concealed, and the a holster must have a retaining device like a thumb-snap or strap. The gun cannot be drawn or discharged except for the purposes described in the authorization, so no plinking and no target shooting. The permit is only valid in the geographical area you apply for, and you must have an ATT to transport the gun to that described area. You cannot wear thge gun in any populated areas. There may be time constraints placed on the ATC, such as if your contract to work in a certain area was seasonal or of a short duration.
 
Anything that can be done towards making the private firearm ownership and the use of our firearms acceptable in the eyes of the public is beneficial to us. But there are many gun advocates and hunters both in Canada and the US who are opposed to big game hunting with handguns. For that reason the handgun hunting battle might not be the best one for us to jump onto at the present time. If we can tie CCWs to public safety, that would do more towards private handgun ownership and would make the future of handgun hunting more palatable to Joe Citizen than it is now. The first step though is to get people used to the idea that a gun is a gun, that there is no such thing as a good gun or a bad gun, and the repeal of the classification of firearms should probably be the battle we focus on after we get rid of the PAL in favor of a return to the FACs.
 
sweet09 said:
Really I wonder what a CO or anyone would do. It's only a .22
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I can't answer what any particular CO or police officer would do if you were busted with an illegal handgun in the bush, but since no one has mentioned possible consequences, I will.

First off, Section 88 of the CC:



88. (1) Every person commits an offence who carries or possesses a weapon, an imitation of a weapon, a prohibited device or any ammunition or prohibited ammunition for a purpose dangerous to the public peace or for the purpose of committing an offence.
  • Punishment






    (2) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1)
    • (a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years; or
    • (b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
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Then there is Section 90 of the CC:
  • 90. (1) Every person commits an offence who carries a weapon, a prohibited device or any prohibited ammunition concealed, unless the person is authorized under the Firearms Act to carry it concealed.
  • Punishment
  • (2) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1)
    • (a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; or
    • (b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
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And Section 91:

(2) Subject to subsection (4), every person commits an offence who possesses a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, other than a replica firearm, or any prohibited ammunition, without being the holder of a licence under which the person may possess it.

Punishment







(3) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1) or (2)
  • (a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; or
  • (b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
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And finally, Section 92:

(2) Subject to subsection (4), every person commits an offence who possesses a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, other than a replica firearm, or any prohibited ammunition knowing that the person is not the holder of a licence under which the person may possess it.

Punishment



(3) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1) or (2) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable
  • (a) in the case of a first offence, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years;
  • (b) in the case of a second offence, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of one year; and
  • (c) in the case of a third or subsequent offence, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of two years less a day.
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So, while a CO may do nothing because "it's just a .22", he could also arrest your ass and have you end up in prison with a 10 year weapons prohibition and a criminal record for the rest of your life. You decide if plinking in the bush with an illegal gun is worth it or not. Criminals don't care because they have nothing to lose, do you?



Boomer said:
Anything that can be done towards making the private firearm ownership and the use of our firearms acceptable in the eyes of the public is beneficial to us. But there are many gun advocates and hunters both in Canada and the US who are opposed to big game hunting with handguns. For that reason the handgun hunting battle might not be the best one for us to jump onto at the present time. If we can tie CCWs to public safety, that would do more towards private handgun ownership and would make the future of handgun hunting more palatable to Joe Citizen than it is now. The first step though is to get people used to the idea that a gun is a gun, that there is no such thing as a good gun or a bad gun, and the repeal of the classification of firearms should probably be the battle we focus on after we get rid of the PAL in favor of a return to the FACs.
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Boomer, I disagree. In Alberta AFGA have put forward resolutions for the last two years asking the Alberta government to remove the prohibition on handgun hunting here. That is a pretty fudd organization (not to s**t on AFGA, but it an organization of hunters and not sport shooters) and they are firmly behind those who want to hunt with a handgun in this province.

At least in Alberta, hunting is an almost universally understood and accepted reason to own guns. Making hunting with handguns legal will help make handguns into just another tool used by sportsmen. The general public FREAKS OUT when you mention armed citizens (including many gun owners), even in a fairly gun-friendly province like Alberta. But they don't freak out about armed citizens out in the bush. Once handgun hunting is accepted here, we can push for general bush ATC's on the basis that handgun hunting has resulted in no changes in anything. Once people accept armed citizens in the bush, then we can gradually increase the areas handguns are allowed until it is everywhere.

I can't see any way to convince people that armed citizens on city streets are ok before they accept that handguns in the bush are ok.


Mark
 
JimboJones said:
Chill out man.:slap:

At no point did the OP state he has broken or will break the law. You are reading into what he wrote.

The appropriate thing to post would be: That's illegal. Don't do it, and the CO will, and rightly should, take issue with it.

BTW welcome to the forum. :welcome:

I'm sure you'll make lots of new friends...:rolleyes:
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Actually, I did... POST # 14 And thanks for the "welcome". :bigHug:

But I didn't come here to "make friends", I'm the outsourced Chinese shill everyone's talking about...

;)

* BTW - I'm all for re-legalizing handgun hunting, and the Right to Carry for self-defense (wilderness or urban).
 
There is a point to be made for the public perhaps being more acceptable of handguns in the bush, not in the city. It's the old rural vs. urban framing of the issues, and that has at least won us the end of the long gun registry.
 
mmattockx said:
At least in Alberta, hunting is an almost universally understood and accepted reason to own guns. Making hunting with handguns legal will help make handguns into just another tool used by sportsmen. The general public FREAKS OUT when you mention armed citizens (including many gun owners), even in a fairly gun-friendly province like Alberta. But they don't freak out about armed citizens out in the bush. Once handgun hunting is accepted here, we can push for general bush ATC's on the basis that handgun hunting has resulted in no changes in anything. Once people accept armed citizens in the bush, then we can gradually increase the areas handguns are allowed until it is everywhere.

I can't see any way to convince people that armed citizens on city streets are ok before they accept that handguns in the bush are ok.


Mark
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Mark, I like your logic; the way you put it could make sense to a lot of Canadians. I certainly would like to be able to carry a handgun in wilderness areas, for both hunting and for protection from predatory animals.
 
This will change WHEN? A politician is pinned down and being chewed on by a large bear, and his companions sing in unison "Like to help, but can't , We'd carry heat but bannt, Dr's & lawyers don't count, but legislators amount."
 
It may only be a .22 but "Restricted Firearm" is what the crown will call it while you're fighting for your life in court.

It's a stupid law but think hard before you break it.
 
Boomer said:
To qualify for an ATC, your application must support a commercial activity. The reasons for carrying a pistol can be to humanly dispatch trapped animals in the case of a trapper operating on a registered trap line (as opposed to those who trap on a community line) or for protection from wild animals, if you can adequately persuade the CFO that due to the nature of your work you cannot protect yourself with a long gun. If you are an employee, your employer must sign off on your application. You must submit a letter from your local range officer stating that you are proficient with the gun you choose to carrying. The gun must be carried openly and not concealed, and the a holster must have a retaining device like a thumb-snap or strap. The gun cannot be drawn or discharged except for the purposes described in the authorization, so no plinking and no target shooting. The permit is only valid in the geographical area you apply for, and you must have an ATT to transport the gun to that described area. You cannot wear thge gun in any populated areas. There may be time constraints placed on the ATC, such as if your contract to work in a certain area was seasonal or of a short duration.
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So ya see...there...no big deal! LOL
 
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