Piston Driven ARs

Lee Enfield said:
Piston ARs are just the latest fad.

An AR "repair kit" is available:

~ simply because ARs are run harder than 99% of other actions by their users, simply put, most other systems NEVER see enough rounds to need parts.

~ There are more manufacturers of AR system rifles than any other type, some are marginal, and low rent.

~ ARs have been in continuous use and production for 50 years, all parts and springs have a service life, service rifles were never expected to survive over a year of combat service in the "modern nuclear conflict", let alone 40+...
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I think if we followed your reasoning we would still be using Lee Enfields....lol.

The reason why AR impingement is number one still is because it has been around for 50 years = period, but most importantly until the US and it's other satellite countries move on which many are that will change!

The AR gas impingement is a great system, but there are better options, and i think the piston is easier for the soldier to use and gives more time to other important duties he must perform, rather cleaning his rifle like a fanatic!
 
dangertree said:
We have a demo model 8R that I could send for your review once the law enforcement agency that has it now is finished with it.
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I'd like to state, for the record, that I was joking, and didn't actually expect anyone to be willing to send me an AR to try out.

That said, it's kind of like joking about sleeping with a supermodel, it's only a joke because you don't expect them to take you up on it, and doesn't mean you won't jump at the chance.
 
Leibermuster said:
I think if we followed your reasoning we would still be using Lee Enfields....lol.

The reason why AR impingement is number one still is because it has been around for 50 years = period, but most importantly until the US and it's other satellite countries move on which many are that will change!

The AR gas impingement is a great system, but there are better options, and i think the piston is easier for the soldier to use and gives more time to other important duties he must perform, rather cleaning his rifle like a fanatic!
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We ARE still using Lee Enfields??

"Direct Gas" impingement has positives and negatives, so do piston systems.

The main fouling is just deposited in a different place...

Yes, I have played with both systems; each is superior to the other in some ways, the question is, does the useage application fit one system or the other?
 
AJCrowley said:
One thing that concerns me about ARs is when shopping for them, I'm frequently presented with things like, "AR repair kit" - a box containing about 50 springs and pins. Are they really that s**tty that they break all the time?
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Stuff breaks...


BUT... If your like the average AR owner in the United States your AR-15 will probably never see more than 500 rounds go down range; AND, at most 2000 rounds. In that case, you will probably never see anything break.

On the other hand, if you start dumping 10,000+ rounds down range... Your probably going to see some breakage in one form or another. Having a Field Repair kit is always nice JUST IN CASE something does break when in the FIELD and you plan to repair it right then and there. Beyond that, its probably not needed.
 
Leibermuster said:
I think if we followed your reasoning we would still be using Lee Enfields....lol.

The reason why AR impingement is number one still is because it has been around for 50 years = period, but most importantly until the US and it's other satellite countries move on which many are that will change!

The AR gas impingement is a great system, but there are better options, and i think the piston is easier for the soldier to use and gives more time to other important duties he must perform, rather cleaning his rifle like a fanatic!
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Dude -- when a program ends we are doing, I intend on showing pictures of DI guns and Pistons guns and the dirty they generate.

Piston is more recoil, less accuracy, and shorter lifespan of parts.

Don't drink all the cool-aid.
 
KevinB said:
Dude -- when a program ends we are doing, I intend on showing pictures of DI guns and Pistons guns and the dirty they generate.

Piston is more recoil, less accuracy, and shorter lifespan of parts.

Don't drink all the cool-aid.
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I see the less recoil and shorter life span on parts, but how do pistons hurt accuracy?
 
What about suppressors being used full time.
I'm still waiting on someone to report on the Sig Sauer USA 516 select fire that is planned to have a suppressor setting on the gas system.

I like them all but the Pistons I own get shot more. I like them more than the DI guns.

As for the previous comments on the G36 being a POS, don't knock it until you've owned one. Also in testing a G36K shot 24000 rounds with no cleaning or lube or broken parts.

I'm waiting for any gun in the world to replicate that performance...still waiting.....anyone...bueler?

Rich
 
Rich LPS said:
As for the previous comments on the G36 being a POS, don't knock it until you've owned one. Also in testing a G36K shot 24000 rounds with no cleaning or lube or broken parts.

I'm waiting for any gun in the world to replicate that performance...still waiting.....anyone...bueler?

Rich
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I assume you're referring to me. I speak from real world, operational experience. The G36 is overly large, cumbersome, has an ineffective optic, and complete lack of modularity. No light infantry types that I've seen have said "Gee, sure wish I could ditch my 16" heavy barrel C8 for that 6 foot long musket over there".
 
Dont forget the weight issue, piston guns generally weigh more than a DI. If your planning on running or carrying your rifle a respectable distance every ounce makes a difference. If your tired your not going to shoot as well.
 
Greg_VP said:
I assume you're referring to me. I speak from real world, operational experience. The G36 is overly large, cumbersome, has an ineffective optic, and complete lack of modularity. No light infantry types that I've seen have said "Gee, sure wish I could ditch my 16" heavy barrel C8 for that 6 foot long musket over there".
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Your over seas operational experience is now questionable in my book!

G36 with rails is a smoother and better rifle in most ways compared to your C7/8. It last longer, and shoots better especially with upgrades!
 
Leibermuster said:
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Your over seas operational experience is now questionable in my book!

G36 with rails is a smoother and better rifle in most ways compared to your C7/8. It last longer, and shoots better to especially with upgrades!
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I could care less what you think of my experience, and if you could write with appropriate grammar I might take you seriously.

I can tell you've never humped a rifle in combat in your life, and that's totally cool. Just don't step out of your lane and question one's opinion on the operational aspect who's been there and "done that".
 
Leibermuster said:
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Your over seas operational experience is now questionable in my book!

G36 with rails is a smoother and better rifle in most ways compared to your C7/8. It last longer, and shoots better especially with upgrades!
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G36 is no where near as good as a C8A3 sorry thats a fact
 
Greg_VP said:
I could care less what you think of my experience, and if you could write with appropriate grammar I might take you seriously.

I can tell you've never humped a rifle in combat in your life, and that's totally cool. Just don't step out of your lane and question one's opinion on the operational aspect who's been there and "done that".
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Oh really there small timer! Enjoy your easy PPLI life and keep drinking your Colt Canada Cool Aid bucko! You have never touched a rifle besides your Colt Canada PROPAGANDA WEAPON...LOL. It was a great company when it was still owned by Canadians...and they had there own name. Amazing how putting the word Canada in front of anything suddenly makes it the Holy Grail...

ALSO YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS DONE SERVICE HERE.

And for your info, compared too you, I am the Lane, your just a pylon to be passed!

Thanks for your recent service.
And remember looking at another soldier holding a G36 is not as good as actually using it and shooting it extensively, I have.
 
Leibermuster said:
That's a brand new F**kin rifle man, lets just update the G36 series then have a few competitions, then you will see...
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Well they need to improve the following

-Cocking handle
-goto Nato standard mags
-Adj stock
-Metal 1913 rail
-strengthen the handgaurds so the forward rails will not flex and shift your PEQ zero
-Back up sights
-M203 option
-Metal single point sling mount

until then HK sucks ;) lol
 
Dsiwy said:
Well they need to improve the following

-Cocking handle
-goto Nato standard mags
-Adj stock
-Metal 1913 rail
-strengthen the handgaurds so the forward rails will not flex and shift your PEQ zero
-Back up sights
-M203 option
-Metal single point sling mount

until then HK sucks ;) lol
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most of those upgrades are available already, really i say a whole new outer body would be better!
 
Well, the G36 can shoot from underwater. . .

If anything, that gives it badass points, and it is polymer, meaning that it resists thermal expansion/contraction unlike a metal firearm. Also the bolt will function against the polymer receiver without lube without seizing, because the polymer is significantly softer than the bolt. The G36 also has a, in my opinion, more intelligently placed cocking handle than the AR-15/C8's "Smash-fist-into-face-to-load" system. The G36 has been known to run for 20,000 rounds without cleaning without any problems. So I wouldn't be so quick to write off the G36.

Dsiwy said:
Well they need to improve the following

-Cocking handle You might not like it, but it doesn't snag on anything
-goto Nato standard mags NATO standard mags, in the opinion of some, are rubbish.
-Adj stock That is available as an option, but like it was something gradually introduce on the AR-15.
-Metal 1913 rail B+T makes them. If you are like Lithuania, upgrade your firearms to that. The polymer rail is good regardless, why would you need metal?
-strengthen the handgaurds so the forward rails will not flex and shift your PEQ zero Uh, the handguard is free-floating. It can flex all you want, but your barrel stays true, as they do not touch.
-Back up sights They exist on the factory optics, and you can get a variety of rails to suit your needs.
-M203 option AG36 is comparable.
-Metal single point sling mount Not necessary. The polymer one is very well designed. Admittedly, it is only on the left side of the firearm.
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It would do the G36 well to revamp the outer body.
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Why, because it is polymer? Because it is thin like Kate Moss? Because it is black like Obama? Why?
 
oenone said:
Well, the G36 can shoot from underwater. . .

If anything, that gives it badass points, and it is polymer, meaning that it resists thermal expansion/contraction unlike a metal firearm. Also the bolt will function against the polymer receiver without lube without seizing, because the polymer is significantly softer than the bolt. The G36 also has a, in my opinion, more intelligently placed cocking handle than the AR-15/C8's "Smash-fist-into-face-to-load" system. The G36 has been known to run for 20,000 rounds without cleaning without any problems. So I wouldn't be so quick to write off the G36.
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Most guns can fire under water but its usless since your bullets are not effective

G36 cocking handle is awful, try cocking it under extreme stress or with artic mitts
 
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