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Found this through a link at LF, looks like they are trying to qualify for a small arms competition - These guys can shoot and their manual of arms is good!

Their speed make our service rifle match 2 look like slow motion.....these are not special forces, looks like troops from a recce company or somehting.

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But can they hit anything?

Like everything from the ChiCom government media, I'd take it with a grain of salt.

All I see is 5 guys that have their drills down. If I saw the entire 2.5M strong standing PLA doing this I'd be worried. Fortunately for us 2.49M of them are still using Type 53's, SKS' and AK's, and I'm sure that their skills are no where near those of these 5 government circus performers.

Good propaganda though...
 
I thought the QBZ 95 was full auto capable. I didn't see any of that demo'ed here.

These guys DO have their drills down, that's for sure. It speaks to their discipline and training.

I wish somebody could do an English translation: I'd like to know what they're saying.
 
it sounds like these guys are from the recce - and they are in the Brigade/Division selection to go to a big competition organized by the Corp. So this is like a team selection for the equvialent of a mini-Bisley run by the Corp.

Yeh, so these guys are supposed to be the top shooters and they should not suck.
 
Freaken Ugliest rifle's ever but 1 of the best designed bull-up I have ever got a chance to shoot. Although these guy's make it look easy I still think the mag change's are the only fall back on this design. Also there instructor look like a chinese Todd Jarret.
 
Satain said:
Freaken Ugliest rifle's ever but 1 of the best designed bull-up I have ever got a chance to shoot. Although these guy's make it look easy I still think the mag change's are the only fall back on this design. Also there instructor look like a chinese Todd Jarret.
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The Type 97/QBZ 95 has some serious ergonomic design flaws. You can tell by the manual of arms these guys are using. They have found some pretty good work arounds for them, ie, compensating for the goofy safety position by not charging the rifle until they are going to shoot; changing the mag with their right hand to compensate for the goofy mag release (the Type 97 mag release is even worse). It should also be noted that they aren't using any optics.

Having said that, the balance of the rifle is superb (as you can see when they are running), accuracy is quite good, and it's built fairly well.
 
Clobbersaurus has it right on here. Take note of how they have to use thier dominant hand to change mags. You can change mags in an AR in half that time. With your weak hand and maintain your point of aim none the less. These guys would look like a bunch of clowns flopping around with thier mags like that in a fire fight. Bad design on Norcs part with that one.
 
It's a brigade shooting trial, they can only send 3 guys from each division, so one of the guy in the video is going to be cut, it also talks about one of them have been doing this for awhile now......
 
China is a massive diverse country with an equally massive and diverse military. Its pretty foolish to try and judge them based on our terms. I would guess only about 10% of them are equally trained to the standard of USMC, Airborne, para etc but do the math on that and its still huge. I'm sure you could find 20,000 top level shooters in their ranks without looking too hard.

The standard of training is pretty low I'm sure but probably not low in terms of the Korean war low. The reality is that they are truely a defense force. China would likely not be able to properly mount or maintain an invasion force worth worrying about. My take is that they are more worried about having nobody ####ing with their #### then ####ing with anybody elses in military terms. They aren't stupid they know they can get what they want without it.
 
China is definitely not an invasion country. (Sorry, Red Dawn enthusiasts.) Economics and technology are their choice of weapons in the international domain.
 
Agent Law said:
China is definitely not an invasion country. (Sorry, Red Dawn enthusiasts.) Economics and technology are their choice of weapons in the international domain.
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USA won the cold war against the Soviet Union without having to fire one single bullet, they simply bankrupted the old Soviet Union regime. take a look at the US economy for the last couple of years, China doesn't really have anything to worry about.
 
Shooting off bricks and a sandbag? Do they carry those into combat?
Looking at how close the carry handle is to (against) the troops faces I think the rifle will be to small for me. Then again it could break the mold and be the first bullpup I don't hate.
 
China has never been a country geared towards militaristic invasion of other territories regardless of political powers of each period. So, while this may suggest they(PLA) have a lack of military experience, it would be pretty naive.

The PLA has more parade troops than say Canada has in the CF. For operations, they have pretty expedient capabilities.

One only has to take the earthquake from a couple years ago. Within 48hrs, some 10,000 Paratroopers to move into an area lacking highway/route infrastructure and unable to jump in due to weather conditions. This was followed by some 50,000 other land force 24hrs after.

We have DART and IRU, and good as we may be, we have to acknowledge the PLA.
 
Gunnerlove said:
Winz said:
China has never been a country geared towards militaristic invasion of other territories regardless of political powers of each period.
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Their intentions towards Taiwan are?
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Depends on interpretation. My comment was about history of China(be it during dynasties, democracy, communist...) and its actions towards other countries. China itself however has undergone much civil war, ethic rife and domestic issues throughout its thousands of years of history.

Taiwan/Chinese Taipei falls into this internal issue. Much like Quebec calling itself a sovereign nation or Israel claiming the Gaza Strip, it comes down to interpretation.

Although in the 60-70's there were always threats to attack Taiwan, it hasn't happened. At most the PRC wants Taiwan to call itself Chinese Taipei during the Olympics....
 
Winz said:
China has never been a country geared towards militaristic invasion of other territories regardless of political powers of each period. So, while this may suggest they(PLA) have a lack of military experience, it would be pretty naive.

The PLA has more parade troops than say Canada has in the CF. For operations, they have pretty expedient capabilities.

One only has to take the earthquake from a couple years ago. Within 48hrs, some 10,000 Paratroopers to move into an area lacking highway/route infrastructure and unable to jump in due to weather conditions. This was followed by some 50,000 other land force 24hrs after.

We have DART and IRU, and good as we may be, we have to acknowledge the PLA.
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So, by your definition, the invasion of Tibet is a NON-event for you I guess?

Also, the invasion of Vietnam in 1979, was this something else you ignore?

When Hong Kong reverted back to Mainland China's control, the first Communist Chinese across the bridge, were not welcoming humble civilians, it was the PLA.

So they have manpower, might is not right revisionist.

Edit: The original post is interesting, but let's not destroy this thread with a history lesson of Chinese adventurism in Asia.
 
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greentips said:
it sounds like these guys are from the recce - and they are in the Brigade/Division selection to go to a big competition organized by the Corp. So this is like a team selection for the equvialent of a mini-Bisley run by the Corp.

Yeh, so these guys are supposed to be the top shooters and they should not suck.
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According to the footage, there were 15 selected from each Division, and finally 3 would be sent to the Beijiang Corp's final competition.
The drills including:prone (accuracy shoot), Off-hand (raise and shoot), Turn 'n shoot, tactical reload and shoot, run 'n shoot.
Funny thing was the reporter said they practiced so hard that each of them shoot above 200 hundred rounds a day!!!! Well, I understood that a bit too much for shooting without hearing protection with a bullpup!:D

PS. I also wondering their new reloading method. There were a few shown on youtube before and now they seems standardised the tac reloading.
 
Brutus said:
So, by your definition, the invasion of Tibet is a NON-event for you I guess?

Also, the invasion of Vietnam in 1979, was this something else you ignore?

When Hong Kong reverted back to Mainland China's control, the first Communist Chinese across the bridge, were not welcoming humble civilians, it was the PLA.

So they have manpower, might is not right revisionist.

Edit: The original post is interesting, but let's not destroy this thread with a history lesson of Chinese adventurism in Asia.
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So you want me to answer or not? I'll agree to getting back on topic.

My point was merely that although the PLA have not been involved in large scale expeditionary operations they should not be discounted for capability. They do employ their forces under the pretense of ethnic and/or territorial defence which people can easily dispute. However, generally they haven't been involved in various multi-country sanctioned(eg UN, NATO) assistance operations.

Anyways...I'm agreeing to drop the politics and more to the point, I don't want to go head-to-head CF vs PLA anytime soon.
 
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