Plastic 870 Trigger Group... WTF ??

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Hey Guys...

Just noticed that my 870 Folder has a plastic trigger group...

WTF is Wrong With Remington..

OMG am I disappointed in Remington..

By far one of the Dumbest things I've ever seen a gun manufacturer do...
I'll Never by another one....

Can I swap it out with a standard metal 870 trigger group ?? Say if I was to buy an older 870, will they swap out ?

Thanks

Eric
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They will swap out. Rem went to a plastic trigger group on the Express a few years ago. Obviously, for cost reasons.

That being said, I've never heard of a plastic trigger group failing.

Swap it with a norinco/grizzly one - they're still metal. :)
 
Normark said:
OMG am I disappointed in Remington..

By far one of the Dumbest things I've ever seen a gun manufacturer do...
I'll Never by another one....


Eric
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As he reaches for his Glock, M&P, Springfield XD, Ruger SR9, Beretta Storm, et. al...

Show me a documented case of the "plastic" trigger guards failing.....
Given the liability issues with such an important safety component I suspect we would have heard of the class action suit filed against the "negligent" firearms manufacturer.

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Hey Guys..

Duck Hunter...

Noooo,, not worrying too much.. That's just frigging Cheap Azzed BS...

I've owned a dozen or so Remingtons,, I've got 5 right now,, as far as I'm concerned they've just dropped a notch....

What the Hell are we coming to ??

Canucklehead

"They will swap out. Rem went to a plastic trigger group on the Express a few years ago. Obviously, for cost reasons."

Unbelievable.. I'd rather pay the extra $20-30 it would cost to have a metal (Real) trigger group.. If the gun ever fell on that housing it would shatter like the cheap plastic it is...

"That being said, I've never heard of a plastic trigger group failing."

That isn't the point though,, it's just not right..

Once I get a new trigger group,, I'm going to take this one to destruction and see just how much the plastic will take...


"Swap it with a norinco/grizzly one - they're still metal."

LOL.. That would be pretty pathetic Eh..?? LOL
Take the Plastic part out and Swap it with a better Chin made metal part...

The way things are going,, that sounds Just about right...

I'll be looking for a basket case Wingmaster for a metal trigger group...
Good to know they will swap out though....

Thanks

Eric
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Normark said:
... Can I swap it out with a standard metal 870 trigger group ?? ...
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I have a metal trigger group for sale in the EE if you'd like to swap out your plastic one. To keep your cost down, I'll take yours in trade. PM me if interested.
 
Hello

Lmar

"As he reaches for his Glock, M&P, Springfield XD, Ruger SR9, Beretta Storm, et. al..."

Just because everyone is jumping off the bridge.......................

"Show me a documented case of the "plastic" trigger guards failing....."

There may not be,, however again ,,not the point...
The metal trigger groups are better in my opinion, I won't buy another...

"Given the liability issues with such an important safety component I suspect we would have heard of the class action suit filed against the "negligent" firearms manufacturer."

You have a point,, however still not right..

I wonder how many Military or Police 870's have plastic trigger groups.. I'd bet Not One of them...

Lets face it Remington has Cheaped out on us for a lousy $20-30...

Eric
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It ain't just Remington...


Q: I have heard that Ruger has changed the 10/22 carbine trigger group components from aluminum to polymer. Is this true and, if so, why was this change made?

A: Yes, it is true that we have updated the 10/22 trigger group components and that they are now made of glass-filled polymer instead of the die cast aluminum parts. Ruger engineers are always looking for ways to improve our products, including evaluating new and evolving technologies and materials. The benefits of polymers are many, including improved impact resistance, an unmatched ability to withstand the elements, and of course weight savings. Accordingly, polymers are routinely used in firearms that are subjected to heavy use in harsh conditions, law enforcement and military applications in particular. The new trigger group features injection molded components of high tech polymer for an improved product with closer manufacturing tolerances. The firearm is as reliable and, because the color is incorporated into the polymer of the injection molded components, the finish will never wear off due to normal use or unexpected abrasion. Also, the heat stabilized, glass-filled polymer will withstand impacts that would bend or even break the die cast aluminum parts previously used in Ruger 10/22's.
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:jerkit:

Just glad I bought mine when I did... But yes, I got stuck with the plastic trigger guard on my 870 as well. So far so good, but nothing feels as good as something made of steel. I feel sorry for the kids that have to play with the wannabe Tonka trucks these days...
 
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The trigger group on my Fabarm Martial Pro-Forces is plastic and I have no doubts about the quality or strength. I think you're over reacting a wee bit, but its your money and personal preference. :)

I challenge you to try and break the plastic group along side the metal group. I would hazard a guess that the metal would fail first. YMMV
 
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Hello

Easy..

PM sent...

GeoTrekr

Me thinks Ruger should pay a little more attention to those things they call Triggers.. Quite possibly the worst triggers in the Industry...

The polymer trigger housing in this case is an improvement for Ruger

I don't know,,maybe they are OK,, I just don't like them,, they look cheap, and kinda puts them on the same level as Crossman.

Although I will say that they don't scratch up is a bonus...

I've got a Savage O/U mod 24,, and those Azzhats but a plastic front site on it,, that constantly drifts out on it's own..
Nice rifle like that and they put a plastic site on it,, of All things...

It'll soon be going to the gun Doctor for a real front site...

I don't mind altering firearms or making them better,, but the little things like a trigger housing and front site should be done right when you buy the frigging thing...

ttyle

Eric
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Hello

Giggidy

" I think you're over reacting a wee bit,"

That's Quite possible,, however it is unproven to me,,so I can't have much confidence in it..

I simply don't like the idea of it...


" but its your money and personal preference."

Absolutely....

"I challenge you to try and break the plastic group along side the metal group. I would hazard a guess that the metal would fail first. "

I just might considering doing that...
some impact testing would be interested....

If it lives through it,, I'll eat my words....

Thanks

Eric
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Remington's metal trigger guards were made of sintered aluminum, I can't see where you'd be truely worse off with a plastic unit that doesn't seem to have any kind of issues.
 
Normark said:
Hey Guys..

"That being said, I've never heard of a plastic trigger group failing."

That isn't the point though,, it's just not right..

Eric
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I mean no offense and you are entitled to your opinion....buuuuut.

So what is the point? To cater to your materials bigotry? I thought functionality was the point. I would hate to see what would happen to firearms if functionality wasn't the point of design. A $5000 870 that weight 30 lbs doesn't sound appealing to me. (Actually it does :D but I'm trying to make a point here.)


I too have a plastic trigger guard on my 870's Express and Marine Mag, but I do not worry about them. Especially since the previous metal alternatives were aluminum. Aluminum is just not that tough. Steel maybe I can understand a craving for, but aluminum?

Your opinion is why car makers drink heavily before asking consumers what they want on a car. More power AND better gas mileage. The two are mutually exclusive. Now people want affordable, durable, lightweight guns and Remington delivers in style again, but you want it made out of heavy expensive materials? You also have a nice scale of quality to buy into with the express, super mags, tacticools, marine mags, XCRs, wingmasters.

If no one on the planet has ever reported a broken one, then you'll have to excuse both Remington and I when we dismiss your comments as naive. A More appropriate response would be to ask a Sponsoring dealer to stock up on a whack of metal trigger guards so they can profit from your "preference".
 
Hey Guys...

870P

"Remington's metal trigger guards were made of sintered aluminum, I can't see where you'd be truely worse off with a plastic unit that doesn't seem to have any kind of issues"

Yaa maybe you are right,, I don't know yet.. Maybe I'm just a little Jaded after buying a $600 gun with a plastic front site that wiggles it way out... That pisses me off to No end...I'm a perfectionist by trade.. :)

drvrage

"I mean no offense and you are entitled to your opinion....buuuuut."

No offense taken brother...

"So what is the point? To cater to your materials bigotry?"

Well maybe I'm expecting too much then... Again I've had a dozen or so Remingtons alone,, just was shocked to see this one had plastic trigger group...

I'm well familiar with plastics, and generally have No problems with them on Glocks etc etc, and in fact like that the Glocks are plastic,, it's progressive and a step forward...

I just don't particularly like this particular trigger group...

" I thought functionality was the point."

It Absolutely is,, trust me,, I understand that..

" I would hate to see what would happen to firearms if functionality wasn't the point of design. A $5000 870 that weight 30 lbs doesn't sound appealing to me."

Yup true enough,, however I still prefer a proven metal trigger group over something I have never experienced before.. I'll pay the extra $20-30 it would cost to have metal instead of plastic on that particular part.. Weight is a moot point IMHO in this case...


"I too have a plastic trigger guard on my 870's Express and Marine Mag, but I do not worry about them."

Well I'm not really all that worried about it either, as it won't be there long enough...

" Especially since the previous metal alternatives were aluminum. Aluminum is just not that tough."

Yes,, understand that as well,, it has it's limitations,, as with everything...

Maybe someone will come out with a Ti trigger group.. I'd buy that...

" Steel maybe I can understand a craving for, but aluminum?"

Agreed...

"Your opinion is why car makers drink heavily before asking consumers what they want on a car. More power AND better gas mileage. The two are mutually exclusive. Now people want affordable, durable, lightweight guns and Remington delivers in style again, but you want it made out of heavy expensive materials?"

Not the same thing IMO

I understand what you are saying,, I just personally don't like it and I'm willing and able to have it removed... Once it's proven itself to me, my thoughts on the subject may or may not change... We shall see..

" You also have a nice scale of quality to buy into with the express, super mags, tacticools, marine mags, XCRs, wingmasters."

No Argument there what so ever...

"If no one on the planet has ever reported a broken one, then you'll have to excuse both Remington and I when we dismiss your comments as naive."

Maybe so, but I'm far from naive,, I've owned allot of firearms in my 44 years, and to be quite honest,, other than the Cheap-O POS front site on my Savage,, I've never had a problem...

" A More appropriate response would be to ask a Sponsoring dealer to stock up on a whack of metal trigger guards so they can profit from your "preference"."

Well whatever...

You have your likes and dislikes and I have mine..

I've stated my dislike of it and have already taken steps to correct my *problem*. I simply can't rely fully on something that I find questionable.. Maybe you can,, I simply Cannot..

We shall see,, I have no problem seeing what it will handle.. Who knows maybe I'll learn something...

Thanks

Eric
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Everything's going plastic/polymer now. At one time, we had all-steel guns, but they also had wooden stocks. Now stocks are made of synthetic materials and the rest of the gun also has plastic where metal should be. It's the way things are done with engineering nowadays. Plastic mags, plastic stock, plastic trigger guards and on some guns, plastic hammers. But Remington has also produced the Nylon 66, so there is some history of plastic use, eh?

Still, I do see your point. Look at the trigger guard on an old Mauser and you think, man, that is rugged!:)
 
Hey Guys..

Mauser...

"Even an $1800 Beretta X2 autoloader has a plastic trigger group. I wouldn't sweat it. "

Yaa I know,, I see the point... Just not fond of it...


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"Everything's going plastic/polymer now. At one time, we had all-steel guns, but they also had wooden stocks. Now stocks are made of synthetic materials and the rest of the gun also has plastic where metal should be. It's the way things are done with engineering nowadays. Plastic mags, plastic stock, plastic trigger guards and on some guns, plastic hammers. But Remington has also produced the Nylon 66, so there is some history of plastic use, eh?"

Yaa some parts I'm more inclined to be OK with,, others such as trigger housings I'm not crazy about...

It'll have to grow on me, however other than lighter weight,, right now I don't see too many pros on it...

"Still, I do see your point. Look at the trigger guard on an old Mauser and you think, man, that is rugged!"

Yes,, I've got one,, and agree...They did stuff with plastics back then that was pretty cool..

One thing I will say that the 66 is a solid gun.. I've put thousands of rounds through that gun,, and as filthy as it was inside,, it kept shooting..

Good call on that...

ttyle

Eric
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